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[–]happysmash27 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I, personally, very much dislike pedophile hate, or hate on pretty much any group, for that matter. Criticising someone for rape is one thing, but criticising someone for attraction, even if they don't act on it, is another. I recently read a decent article about that here.

I have always been a big advocate for freedom of speech and freedom of information (mostly in regards to piracy though), and when I was 16, in around January 2018 according to my records, as well as a few years prior to that, I did not think that child pornography should be banned, and was banned from /r/Anarchism in large part because of this. This, combined with the fallout (I got suicidal and went to a mental hospital), was one of the worse stream of events I have experienced. I have a different, more complicated, and less extreme opinion now, but nevertheless the ambiguity of these rules concerns me, as this ban was a major reason I came to this site in the first place. Here is an incomplete, non-updated archive of the ban discussion page which I uploaded a while ago. I also took screenshots of it from RedReader, which are more updated, but which I haven't compiled yet due to reluctance to re-live the events.

On this subject, I generally agree with Richard Stallman, as I agree on a lot of subjects:

I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

https://stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05%20June%202006%20(Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party)

Here is another quote that I partially agree with, but to a less intense degree:

The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.

Some rules might be called for when these acts directly affect other people's interests. For incest, contraception could be mandatory to avoid risk of inbreeding. For prostitution, a license should be required to ensure prostitutes get regular medical check-ups, and they should have training and support in insisting on use of condoms. This will be an advance in public health, compared with the situation today.

For necrophilia, it might be necessary to ask the next of kin for permission if the decedent's will did not authorize it. Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my corpse, the first being scientific or medical use. Once my dead body is no longer of any use to me, it may as well be of some use to someone. Besides, I often enjoy rhinophytonecrophilia (nasal sex with dead plants).

Now I think it would probably be a bad idea to distribute child pornography with no regards to the implications, as some people may have been coerced to produce it. Still, if someone turns 18, then says that naked images of themselves from before then should be able to be redistributed, I see no reason that shouldn't be allowed. Furthermore, I think it is even more ridiculous to prosecute someone for having images of themselves while they are underage, especially if they are tried as an adult. Even that seems reasonable compared to banning fictional images of child pornography, which, although making sense to be banned from sites like Saidit, would be downright thought-policing to implement as law. The supreme court of the US has challenged doing so as unconstitutional, if I recall correctly. I would consider that as being as ridiculous as banning violent video games for promoting violence.

I am not a pedophile myself, by the way, but simply like freedom of information a lot and feel a need to defend most people if they are attacked, even if they are bad people or even my own personal enemies.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree a lot that hate on groups is not good.

Further, "attraction" has a wide open spectrum of meanings.

Sorry to hear about your past troubles.

Theoretically I agree that voluntary activity is not remotely as bad.
However, there are 2 things to consider:
1) Children don't have the wisdom to know not do try some things. I remember being 5 years old and putting my finger on the no-longer-red stove burner to see if it was still hot when black.
2) Half of everyone is stupider than average, and most of the rest are really close to being just average. That means most folks are average or stupider. Sadly they need things carefully spelled out with hard boundaries. Many of the "smart" ones do too.

Here's more grey area for your grey matter:
You just had sex with a female robot then you transfer the CPU to a male robot - does that make you gay? What about a child robot? What about a robot who's prepubescent but with a backstory that he/she's a very very very late bloomer or just naturally under developed? (FYI: Australia tried to ban small-titty porn a while back.)

Also:
/s/pedogate/comments/1mxk/thinking_outside_the_box_decriminalize_child_porn/
/s/pedogate/comments/eqo/the_many_types_of_pedophiles_war_is_worse_not_for/
https://infogalactic.com/info/Pedophocracy

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Good news for you, gay marriage down, they're working on the tranny thing now, and the next one to be normalized is pedophilia.

[–]useless_aether 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

then bestiality. i bet cannibalism is in the pipeline too

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No betting about it. It's a "waste" to not eat the dead according to some far-stupid eco reporters. I'm too lazy to find their stupidity. Soylent already exists - so far without the "green".

Somehow I imagine consensual bestiality might be easier to decriminalizel than consensual pedophilia. But I don't like to imagine it too much as it scrunches up my face in wondering, "Just - why?"