Anyone thinks Saidit is turning right?

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[–]gretathroatborg 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

i agree w u mostly but between "the jews" and "the west", "the jews" is more accurate so i go with that. i barely ever see jews speaking out against the child raping crooked rabbis so fuck them

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Like I said, if Jesus was a Jew at that time, which he was because he studied the torah and had a rabbi but effecively saw their convoluted oral traditions such as those in the talmud and preached agaisnt usury as such, if he was a JEW, then the Jews today, the corporatist and politician Jews, are NOT really Jews. You generalizing them as Jews, actually helps them. I guess at this point it is better to name the people. So, for instance the 25 neoconservatives who did 9/11 and started the Iraq war. They call themselves Jews, but are atheistic and are Jews by race only, if they really are a race, some say they are, some not, if the Khazar theory is correct, then they're not, at least the larage majority of them, and they certainly do not follow the culture of Judaism. Which leads me to believe that they are NOT really Jews. It's better to just call them mass murderers and war criminals as well as call them by their names. Nevertheless, your able to observe the patterns in their last names anyway, lol. Stein, Berg, etc. Not sure why that's so common, whenever I'm researching 9/11, I always end with those names.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

the corporatist and politician Jews, are NOT really Jews

What do you think of the Sabbatean thing?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think it is a lie promoted by the disinformationist David Icke and others. Although, I believe there are small communities in Turkey that have distant relatives that followed this Jewish messiah, to say that they control the world today and are so numerous, to me is a big red flag. It is liek saying the Jesuits control everything. The first question should be, CAN YOU NAME THEM? Who controls Hollywood, the Media, commerical, investment and central banks. Can we name them, who are they, what are their beliefs, etc.? When we do this, it is clear, to me at least, it isn't frankism or the Sabbateans we need to worry about.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Hey but if you think differently, please provide the information.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I asked because that's the other context in which I've heard people say, "those people who call themselves Jews aren't real Jews". So I wanted to hear your take on them since you mentioned a similar sentiment.

this is the video that introduced me to the topic, though it's more sensationalized than some more academic videos I've seen describing Sabbatai Zevi's life.

I've never really followed David Icke but I'm probably influenced by people who do. I haven't done much digging myself. When I heard about it, it seemed kindof eye-opening to me, because I hadn't ever heard of anything like that before at all and it seemed like it it's established history that it was a pretty big deal at the time, at least to many.

Again, though I didn't really follow up on it with any research of my own, it seemed like it explained some things, like where the lesbian-greek thing may have come from or at least been influenced by (I never understood why they called it 'greek', though that had been replaced by 'gay' for the most part by my time).

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well Jews believed Zevi to be the messiah, but then he converted to Islam and that was that. The question becomes, do we see any overt following of Zevi today by these so-called Jews, or Frankism, the latter also promoted by Icke, who is a freemason. THe Sab nwo theory is proposed by Marvin Antelman and supported by Henry Makov, a Jew and others, is that Frankists and Sabbateans would be still there somewhere. There still are a few Dönmeh members, a Sabbatean group in Turkey, but Frankists and Sabbatean are not controlling this world, and they never were so numerous. This theory is simply nonsense once you research it more deeply. Plus, do they censor the content on this theory or do they promtoe it?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The question becomes, do we see any overt following of Zevi today by these so-called Jews

It was also interesting to me just because of influence reasons too, particularly the antinomianism. I've been influenced by and participated in lots of things I'm not officially part of through political messages, movies, education, religion, the statements of my friends and people around me, etc. It seemed like it might explain some of where that kind of general attitude people talk about secular american jews generally having that they think is anti-conservative or whatever you want to call it.

Does it necessarily explain who did it and why and what their plan was? No, if that's what you're looking for not really.

It would be interesting to know if a lot of that general antinomian attitude today probably comes from somewhere else instead, though. Or if there's evidence it's being promoted right now for some other purpose, like you suggested. Is it known Icke is the source of digging up that theory lately?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting. Antinomianism was used as a cannard by the Catholic Church and their hiearchy to accuse any group or belief system that might oppose them. But surely this gnostic beleif system has existed, even during Jesus's time, where he allegedly stated in Revelation that he hates the church that practices this belief system, a complete inversion of what Jesus preached. They simply used his rhetoric to create their own beleif system, far from 'The Way.' Gnosticism might have practiced this ideology, but is it really all that bad? Quakers practiced it!

In Christianity, an antinomian is one who takes the principle of salvation by faith and divine grace to the point of asserting that the saved are not bound to follow the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments.[2][3] The distinction between antinomian and other Christian views on moral law is that antinomians believe that obedience to the law is motivated by an internal principle flowing from belief rather than from any external compulsion.

The point is that when you live in faith, you live by Christ and moral law does not need to be followed because you live in spirit of Christ. Though, this would imply you're perfect, which no human is, all sin. So one could see it as an inversion, but the Catholic church simply used this cannard to accuse anyone of falling away from the CAtholic church.

antinomianism and the term is also used to describe certain practices or traditions in Frankism, Buddhism and Hinduism, such as the transgressive aspects of Vajrayana and Hindu Tantra which include sexual elements.

It describes many different things to many different people. But surely peaceful quakers who follow in Christ are different than Frankists and Hindus.

George Orwell was a frequent user of "antinomian" in a secular (and always approving) sense. In his 1940 essay on Henry Miller, "Inside the Whale", the word appears several times, including one in which he calls A. E. Housman a writer in "a blasphemous, antinomian, ‘cynical’ strain", meaning defiant of arbitrary societal rules.

The psychologist, Nathan Adler, defined the "antinomian personality type" as "manifested by one whose frame of reference is threatened or has been disrupted. He suffers from a breakdown in the balance of his control and release mechanisms and from the permeability of his body boundaries."[73]

So then, what is the definition???????

HUH???

In contemporary studies of western esotericism, antinomianism is regarded as "a central ingredient in Left-Hand Path spiritualities,"[69] and understood as "nonconformity through the concept of transgression".[70] This extends the modern usage of the term, from simply implying that "moral laws are relative in meaning and application",[71] to include the avowed irreligion manifest in modern Satanism[citation needed].

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and finally this:

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See the dialectic! They are fronting the left hand path, trying to scare you to the right hand which is the REAL NWO. Not many people can see through this though.

This religious dialectic is being run so that the billions of religious folk on our planet will see the triumph of the BRICS New World Order over the Western New World Order as the triumph of good over evil.

In the geopolitical “West versus BRICS” dialectic, the globalists have had their Western minions put on black hats and create chaos so their Eastern minions could put on white hats and restore order. The script of this dialectic calls for the BRICS white hats to ultimately defeat the Western black hats and bring “reform and renewal” to the United Nations/IMF/World Bank. This will land us exactly where the globalists want us: in a UN-centered New World Order that the public will welcome rather than resist. As the Rockefellers put it back in 1961…

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's interesting, I hadn't actually read the wikipedia page I linked... the only time I'd heard the word "antinomian" was in videos about Sabbatai Zevi and what he promoted. They talked about how ... er, I'm paraphrasing now from memory, "all the mitzvah's were now bad, and all the bad things were now good. So to give an example, if adultery was considered bad, it's now good, it's a mitzvah to have sex outside of marriage." They talked about how he saw a more prominent role for women also, and how this made many women like his message. It just felt ... familiar, almost. "Oh, we're beyond all those silly old traditional notions now" is a sentiment I remember growing up. And at least to some extent, I may be a descendant of these people, since some of my ancestors were secular European Jews. Maybe that sentiment is some weird plan; maybe it's also just part of my own family history, for me.

It's interesting to know "antinomianism" has a history of use in other contexts.

See the dialectic! They are fronting the left hand path, trying to scare you to the right hand

I've seen people talk about this a lot, but often people will put it in a new way and I see it differently. Thanks. I've seen people relate it to these (these experiments are gross and messed up): link.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think they are clueless enough to front a order that nobody will accept. The goal is to scare people into their synthesis which will look like the savior to the left hand path. That's the goal.