Found this site from certain subs criticizing what Reddit has become. I don't like hate speech but I also don't like people censoring speech because it's contradictory to progress on giving people rights. Thanks for creating Saidit!

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[–]triguntester 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

They never outright called for censorship but the moment any left-wing group (or hell, even moderate-right wing) tried to set up on the site they brigaded the hell out of them and because submission requires 10 CCP they effectively stopped anyone who disagreed with them from submitting, or even downvoting, which is just censorship with extra steps. Downvotes are basically a tool of censorship, and even more so on Voat since CCP is tied to key features like making a submission and downvoting. A system like that made it an even bigger hive mind than reddit, even if it technically had more freedom of speech. This is why I far prefer this site to voat, since you can't downvote and the only way you can express disagreement is through argument.

[–]emanrdesu 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I definitely agree. This is why I naturally gravitated towards imageboards, since no tools like downvoting were possible. But I can get behind this site, since it seems like a place to have unfiltered discussions.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

i do agree they shouldn't have limits like 10 ccp to submit however votes are fine, if you get downvoted to hell maybe your opinion is dumb. liberals shouldn't get censored but they should get downvoted (if users are mostly rw and choose to dv). on reddit they just ban but if everyone got to stay and sya whatever it would be mostly rwers cuz most americans and people on the planet are rw at least toward social issues, and if the economy is fine people don't care to move left on economics and just want to discuss social issues online.

[–]triguntester 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I disagree, if someone's opinion is dumb you can refute it or ignore it. The main principle of free speech should be active debate and discussion, not shutting people out of discussions and forming a hive mind. Downvotes are conducive to a hive mentality that ruins quality discussion. Initially they're useful for hiding off-topic discussion and spam, but they'll inevitably be used as a "I disagree but I don't actually want to refute this person's argument" button.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

nah they're downvoted if dumb deal with it.

[–]emanrdesu 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

i bet you wanted to downvote his comment, didnt you

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

i did do the smiley face one, everyone knows that means the same thing anyway

[–]emanrdesu 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

you just proved his point and no, I genuinely use smiley face meaning it was funny

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

downvotes are just a quick way to let someone know they're dumb, easier than having to type all this out like this, and let's lurkers know what majority think, now I guess you're worried people will trust that and not look further? I know that on reddit stuff gets buried, and you have to wait like 10 mins to post if you get lot of downvotes, and they have paid shills and bots to downvote anything non corporate, and while many sort by controversial, reddit just deletes it or "spezes" it if they really don't want you to see it.

So tho because reddit does that does it make the downvote system itself bad, I say no it's still good to let people know if something is a trash opinion, and that is how most use the funny face button here.

[–]triguntester 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The smiley functions like a second upvote, you literally made my comment more visible.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

blocked now you're not visible to me by shill

[–]triguntester 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok

[–]gretathroatborg 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They never outright called for censorship

admission here

but

deranged leftist logic that can't ever admit to being wrong starts here

[–]triguntester 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm literally a republican, but ok. Great rebuttal.

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    [–]triguntester 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Is it too much to ask to want an actual argument against what I wrote instead of literally reading the first sentence and discarding everything else? Just address the argument. How is mass downvoting people you disagree with so they can't voice their opinion not a form of censorship. How will mass brigades and forcing dissenting viewpoints off this site make it any better than reddit?