Found this site from certain subs criticizing what Reddit has become. I don't like hate speech but I also don't like people censoring speech because it's contradictory to progress on giving people rights. Thanks for creating Saidit!

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[–]NerfThis[S] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

That's the problem with a lot of free speech friendly sites - they get hijacked by the crazies with the owners taking the position that any action on bigotry would put them on the lines with the censorship happy places like Reddit. I wish people would realize that there's a line between removing what's needed and just removing everything that doesn't fit your viewpoint.

People don't like oppressive censorship and it's just funny that others seem to think otherwise.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I wish people would realize that there's a line between removing what's needed and just removing everything that doesn't fit your viewpoint.

So you're advocating for partial censorship?

Who should get to decide what is acceptable?

[–]HeyImSancho 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I note a lot of folks here talk about 'how they just want a place to talk, and others can be here to, but then go on to cry like little bitches in regards to dissenting opinions'. Good on you Tom!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I know that I cry like a bitch; when I call foul on censorship!

CENSORSHIP?!!! BOOOOOO!!!!

[–]gretathroatborg 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ya cuz there's no difference between disagreement, and disagreement of a direct form that ceases the other party's ability to disagree. you're a braindead faggot

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you've got a lot of disagreeing going on there buddy, and strong opinion! Way to go!

[–]triguntester 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

This why Voat died IMO. The first people to use the site were actually interested in free speech and talking about opposing viewpoints, but as reddit banned more and more right wing subs the new users simply wanted a right-wing version of reddit.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

And also the tools of voat reinforced the existing echo-chamber, they had brigades to 'protect voat' that would downvote/censor opposing views, and you weren't allowed to downvote them back until you got 100 upvotes, which never happened because you were always being brigaded. So the most extreme and dedicated people took over the culture and were able to box out other cultures on the site

[–]gretathroatborg 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

i didn't use voat much but i never saw "right-wing" users demanding leftist faggots be silenced. yet i constantly see leftist faggots violently demanding others be silenced

[–]triguntester 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

They never outright called for censorship but the moment any left-wing group (or hell, even moderate-right wing) tried to set up on the site they brigaded the hell out of them and because submission requires 10 CCP they effectively stopped anyone who disagreed with them from submitting, or even downvoting, which is just censorship with extra steps. Downvotes are basically a tool of censorship, and even more so on Voat since CCP is tied to key features like making a submission and downvoting. A system like that made it an even bigger hive mind than reddit, even if it technically had more freedom of speech. This is why I far prefer this site to voat, since you can't downvote and the only way you can express disagreement is through argument.

[–]emanrdesu 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I definitely agree. This is why I naturally gravitated towards imageboards, since no tools like downvoting were possible. But I can get behind this site, since it seems like a place to have unfiltered discussions.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

i do agree they shouldn't have limits like 10 ccp to submit however votes are fine, if you get downvoted to hell maybe your opinion is dumb. liberals shouldn't get censored but they should get downvoted (if users are mostly rw and choose to dv). on reddit they just ban but if everyone got to stay and sya whatever it would be mostly rwers cuz most americans and people on the planet are rw at least toward social issues, and if the economy is fine people don't care to move left on economics and just want to discuss social issues online.

[–]triguntester 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I disagree, if someone's opinion is dumb you can refute it or ignore it. The main principle of free speech should be active debate and discussion, not shutting people out of discussions and forming a hive mind. Downvotes are conducive to a hive mentality that ruins quality discussion. Initially they're useful for hiding off-topic discussion and spam, but they'll inevitably be used as a "I disagree but I don't actually want to refute this person's argument" button.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

nah they're downvoted if dumb deal with it.

[–]emanrdesu 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

i bet you wanted to downvote his comment, didnt you

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

i did do the smiley face one, everyone knows that means the same thing anyway

[–]emanrdesu 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

you just proved his point and no, I genuinely use smiley face meaning it was funny

[–]triguntester 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The smiley functions like a second upvote, you literally made my comment more visible.

[–]gretathroatborg 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They never outright called for censorship

admission here

but

deranged leftist logic that can't ever admit to being wrong starts here

[–]triguntester 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm literally a republican, but ok. Great rebuttal.

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    [–]triguntester 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Is it too much to ask to want an actual argument against what I wrote instead of literally reading the first sentence and discarding everything else? Just address the argument. How is mass downvoting people you disagree with so they can't voice their opinion not a form of censorship. How will mass brigades and forcing dissenting viewpoints off this site make it any better than reddit?

    [–]gretathroatborg 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "other slave master bad, i'm way better slave master" fuck off faggot if you don't like words don't read them