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[–]d3rr 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

stay out of the purple zone, and we can all saidit in peace: https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

[–]ETH[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What if the users naturally create an echo chamber?

Is it fine if we make fun of people as well (just crack a few jokes, no death threats of anything)?

[–]d3rr 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If the norm of a community is name calling, that doesn't mean it's okay to go around name calling saidit users in general. You have to engage in good faith according to the pyramid.

[–]qx4chenxp 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Does "I hope trans people get quick-scoped at the clinic" count as purple?
I'm half-joking, half-asking.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well as you're basically un-ironically calling for their death, I'd say that's generally not okay. But it depends on context. Also your overall post history and intent is taken in to account to judge your character. The rules are fairly laid-back, and you will get tons of warnings before you are banned, so I wouldn't worry too much. Just enjoy the site without wishing death on people, and there's not much to worry about.

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the word "hope" makes it assuredly not advocating or threatening violence, but that's just me. It's better than a real threat with "in minecraft" at the end.

The other admin is the head guy on pyramid policy...

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Derr, I really really dig the concept of universal respect. But, I just can't get into the concept of a new triangle-pyramid-thingy. I get along just fine, as I try to comprehend folks, but that pyramid-thingy, it reminds me of when cars actually had words written for what the gauges were; no guesswork. Now we have all sorts of hieroglyphs that change at times... The pyramid reminds me of this, and honestly when someone mentions 'pyramid blah blah blah', I really just wonder what happened to the golden rule and simple respect... hahahahahahaha

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I know, we're really out on our own by not having a short and sweet set of site rules. It's not new though, the 'welcome to saidit' post has always talked about the pyramid. I have to bring it up, because that is the basis of our policies...

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

good on you, I mean that, this site is proving to be entertaining. I was only sharing my thoughts; well because they're my thoughts, and for some reason I just chuckle when I read about the pyramid; it reminds of well, some groups drinking 'the cool-aid'; especially when several members post it again!! hahaha

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Actually we have some of the simplest and least vague rules of any forum, imo. Maybe the policies post itself could be simpler and shorter though.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I just get confused about when it's debate, and where the limits are. Hell of communities name-call 24/7 and it's their community norm. I do know the purple zone is a hard no, I've got that part.

The non-pyramid stuff, the 3 rules here is very clear though.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hell of communities name-call 24/7 and it's their community norm.

Yeah but I don't consider it genuine name-calling as it's not done with genuinely hurtful intent. If everyone obviously knows it's playful, it's fine. But if someone is just trying to be a hurtful ass, then that violates the name-calling level.

It's about intent. And the pyramid of debate is just an objective (as possible) metric by which we can judge people with good intent from those with bad intent. It's a lot more specific then most sites which just say "no hate speech" which can mean almost anything at all. The pyramid of debate is just a well-laid-out way of saying "don't be a dick". So if someone is calling names but everyone involved knows the language is meant in a joking manner, then they're not being a dick. So the pyramid doesn't really apply in that case.

But at the same time, someone can't just be an ass and then claim they were just joking. If they're the only one joking, it's not a joke. Everyone more or less has to be in on the joke. Again it's about intent.

If people have bad intent, the pyramid of debate lets us objectively measure how far off track they are compared to good quality discussion. Then an accumulation of low-pyramid events indicates a pattern that can then be acted on.

That's how I think about it. I hope that makes it more clear. I want this stuff to be clear for everyone, because it's the basis of the site's administration. To really boil it down, the pyramid is just a way to see how much of a jerk someone is being, while minimizing emotions getting in the way while making the judgement, which is very often a problem with site administration and moderation.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This helps a bunch man, thanks. Regarding the name calling stuff, it sounds a lot like a no trolling policy. Trying to define trolling comes right back to intent as well.

So is it too basic if I tell people "you can't be a dick here" or "you can't troll here"?

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go for it, it's correct. But it might be too basic for some people who may not understand the boundaries of what that implies exactly haha

[–]DeathToReddit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You can talk about Obama's husband as much as you want here?

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Big Mike?

[–]d3rr 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

and name calling definitely applies when you are interacting with outside subs and users, that's debate land. The pyramid tells all.

[–]ETH[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

What if we're cracking jokes? ie a humour sub?

[–]d3rr 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Of course, there's already several

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is 'lunkhead' acceptable? It's my favorite word..

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That'll do just fine

[–]pointyball 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Your question should have been “Can I be moral and descent here?”

[–]Timmy 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Spell check didn't do you justice. Sometimes it's decent, sometimes it's like a descent in a plane.

[–]pointyball 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That was very descent of you to point that out. Thanks!

[–]Justin 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You would think.. but apparently some people are just looking for an excuse to be an asshole.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

and there we have it, Justin wants to call people names

[–]Justin 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm going to blame this on my gingerness and lack of a soul

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ginger isn't on the pyramid of debate. What to do?

[–]Chop_Chop 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Has he called anyone a liar yet?

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

i only speak truth

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those mean different things for different people.

[–]Popper 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

why do you think they're ddossing this site

[–]ETH[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Because of ice poseidon

[–]Popper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and they were being anti trans right on reddit?

[–]zyxzevn 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

But 50 dollars is 50 dollars..

[–]ETH[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What do you mean?

[–]zyxzevn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It is from a joke:

Title of joke: A man asked me if I would suck his d for 50 dollars. I replied: "No, I hate gays".
Text part of joke: "But 50 dollars is 50 dollars."