Explaining Romania's presidential elections of this November

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Whoa! This is a shit ton of information!! I'm going to be doing some serious research now! Sorry I'm just seeing this now.. It sounds like your political system is very similar to ours in how it behaves:

Romania's 89' revolution put in power the same communists that ruled communist Romania.

I still have family there; they say everything is much better, but they're getting older so of course who knows with what they say. But honestly I'm sad to say I didn't know this!! Even my parents have told me Romania removed the communists before I was born; that was the whole reason my grandparents and parents moved here. After WW2, Romania was under communist rule for a long ass time..

"N-am liniste" meaning "I have no peace" which sounds depressing, targeted at elders.

It sounds like Romanian parties are obviously aware that their corruption has been exposed to the public too, so they're trying to create in-fighting between Romanians by creating "groups" and "sides". Is this happening a lot in your opinion? It's huge in America. There's political groups, age groups, ethnic groups, religious groups and literally all fight with each other here or have something negative to say about the other. Like it's kinda crazy when you think about it; a country is insulting it's younger citizens ("Millinneials" and "Zoomers") everyday on the tv/news rather than bringing them up; it's because they're dividing us. It seems like you guys are divided in this way too.

It's like how the US has Democrats and Republicans (or left and right, and some of the left and right's value's have kinda switched places over the last 20-30 years..), no matter who's elected the end-result is always the same. I literally have not had one just, ethical or moral president in my life time; not even one who was shitty at his job but tried his best - they were all nefarious. My presidents were Bill Clinton, George Bush, Obama and now Trump. So yeah, all of them were pretty fucking corrupt and lied about everything they said on the campaign trail and pretended to be about. Because of this, I don't believe in voting.

How do you feel about Romanian politics?? The same communists who were making shit so terrible before, have still been in control and in the background since 1989?? Is this why you say the president doesn't have as much power, it was a position created by Ceaușescu? And the FDSN evolved into the Socialist Democratic Party in 92/93?? Do you believe in voting? I honestly have lost all faith, and it seems the US's politicians and yours are very similar in their behavior..

You don't get to be a candidate at that level by being stupid.. Usually those candidates make the people they debate look better and aren't meant to win. It also seems like your politicians too, will say one thing and then do the complete opposite if elected. I'm curious how you feel. Thank you for this post, I need to research everyone individually and the current situation more now that I kinda understand.

edit: knowing Romania's general history as well, this kinda hurts. Romania has been fighting for survival it's whole existence; it's created some badass, famous leaders like Vlad III Dracula. Even when they were brought into the Roman Empire because they were seen as people of culture and not "barbarians", they kinda got taken advantage of as the Roman Empire took advantage of their abundant natural resources and used them for their own purposes. I thought things were better now after WW2.

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so they're trying to create in-fighting between Romanians by creating "groups" and "sides"

Well they try but I believe that every man, woman, elder, kid has the potential of understanding each other.

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Is this why you say the president doesn't have as much power

No, pretty much all Europe has it's constitution centered around the governing party or alliances. The president is wrongfully viewed by romanians as a powerful leader. The president's role is mainly external relations and if perhaps the governing party is trying to pass a outrageous law, the president can reject that decision.

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How do you feel about Romanian politics??

I have hope for my country, I think we'll get rid of these thiefs and improve our political education.

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Do you believe in voting?

Yes. I don't believe a party should be perfect, it's supposed to make millions of romanians happy but I believe in democracy and debate and if America lost it's way, maybe we can show you one.

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Yes. I don't believe a party should be perfect, it's supposed to make millions of romanians happy but I believe in democracy and debate and if America lost it's way, maybe we can show you one.

Not to be crude, but you don't seem like a person to be taken in by propaganda.. If you believe voting is still an option, that must mean the system isn't entirely corrupted/broken yet. As here in the US, you really cannot rely on voting; like I said, on the campaign trail politicians say one thing, then do another in office. Voting itself is a broken system here and you can't use a broken system to fix a greater broken system. After I finish uni I plan on moving states (I hate the city I live in), I may end up moving back to Romania as I already speak enough to be understandable with my little phrases (I'd be able to find a bed and food/water lol!), I may have to find you as a tutor to teach me Romanian if things go well (I'm jk). I know things are bad in Europe right now, but there are a few nations standing up to Globalism, and I know Poland and Romania (at least the people of Romania) are two of them.

No, pretty much all Europe has it's constitution centered around the governing party or alliances. The president is wrongfully viewed by romanians as a powerful leader. The president's role is mainly external relations and if perhaps the governing party is trying to pass a outrageous law, the president can reject that decision.

For example, PSD tried to pass a law to legalise corruption but romanians protested massively on the streets, the President represents all the romanians and should't be one sided on politics so in result, Klaus Iohannis rejected the law proposed.

Honestly, that's how I see our president. I think our president is more of a figurehead or actor, a front for the public to see. I think there's an elite group of people pulling strings in our government, and in many other governments as well. That's where we get to the Zionism conversation.

It kinda seems like that's the situation in Romania too from my research in the past hour and what you've said; at the end of the revolution, Ceaușescu created the FDSN, which turned into the PSD , which seems to still hold a lot of power over Romania (45% of the seats!). Do you really feel they haven't kept things "in the family or of relation", rather than allowing new, honest blood to come in? If so, I envy your optimism and honestly, maybe Romania does have hope.

Well they try but I believe that every man, woman, elder, kid has the potential of understanding each other.

This is good to hear. I'm sure if you ask any american user here, regardless of what their beliefs are, they'll tell you there's a low-key generational "cold-war" happening culturally. Through the internet, entertainment industry, music industry as well as the media. The press/news loves bashing the younger generations blaming them from problems or writing articles that degrade them, and as a result, the younger generations lash out at the older "boomers" on the internet or in their music (music is now a young person's game, whereas in the 50's-70's in america, you could be in your mid 30's and enter the game. Especially in hip-hop, there's a lot of hate to what the younger generations called "old niggas" because they feel they don't understand the newer generations). There's so much in-fighting in the US caused by corporations and politics - almost none of it is actually organic.

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voting itself is a broken system here and you can't use a broken system to fix a greater broken system.

The electoral college system seems really weird from Europe's perspecive...

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I know things are bad in Europe right now, but there are a few nations standing up to Globalism

I'm personally not against Globalism, as a existential nihilist, I don't give a shit about the predominant color of the population.

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At the same time I'm against brainless immigration, letting massive populations migrate cause racism in the countries that host them. Instead, I think that educated migrators are more likely to accept our culture and have a critical thinking towards politics instead of voting blindfolded for a candidate that may believe in the same religion they do for example.

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I think there's an elite group of people pulling strings in our government, and in many other governments as well.

When I think of things like that, I remember about an algorithm I heard about once. The chance of a secret being revealed.

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The more people keep a secret, the faster it will be revealed. Just like Snowden, NSA got it's employees to keep this secret and eventually one of them said no. That's why I think conspiracies that involve entire races or implicate a lot of people are impossible because out of so many people, at least one would reveal the secret.

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Ceaușescu created the FDSN, which turned into the PSD

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Ceausescu got executed after trying to escape with the helicopter. The communist party wasn't made of friends either, everyone waited for their turn to rule and the opportunity came, Iliescu had to keep his enemy close so that's why there are photos of them being friends when really he just waited to take the power.

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generational "cold-war" happening culturally. Through the internet, entertainment industry, music industry as well as the media. The press/news loves bashing the younger generations blaming them from problems or writing articles that degrade them

Have you heard of James Flynn? He talked a bit about generations here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpqilhW9uI

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Lmao, it seems weird from a US Citizen's perspective too, as we're taught throughout school that we pretty much have what's called a "direct democracy" when we really have a "republic with representative democratic properties". I think with each passing year, those "properties" are getting more totalitarian.

I'm personally not against Globalism, as a existential nihilist, I don't give a shit about the predominant color of the population.

Ahhh, I was an existential nihilist at one point, that led down a dark rabbit hole of thinking. If nothing truly matters, then what's the point in doing anything? I had to switch my views up. But for me, Anti-Globalism isn't about preserving the color of a population, it's about keeping the culture of a nation alive.

Like I said to you before, if you entered an ice cream shop and wanted vanilla, chocolate or strawberry ice cream specifically, and they only had one flavor; every flavor blended into one, and that was the only type of ice cream available anywhere, ice cream would be boring and dull. It's a silly metaphor, but the same goes for culture; as humans we have the opportunity to visit places like South America, the United States, Japan, Italy, Britain, and even Romania, and experience their unique cultures. Globalism promotes the migration and interbreeding of people of different cultural backgrounds; forget people's "skin color changing", the original culture which is what made the place unique and beautiful, will be gone. The traditions both you and I know today in our separate countries, would be gone. And I personally think that's a bad thing, I know others don't, but I think it's important to remember where we came from and culture adds flavor to life as well as brings us together.

At the same time I'm against brainless immigration, letting massive populations migrate cause racism in the countries that host them. Instead, I think that educated migrators are more likely to accept our culture and have a critical thinking towards politics instead of voting blindfolded for a candidate that may believe in the same religion they do for example.

I agree with this, this is the thing we seem to be struggling with right now. As long as you immigrate legally, and assimilate with the culture of the country that's taking you in, there's no problem. It's what our ancestors did and what you should be doing too; here we have illegal immigrants who are having children here, taking advantage of our system and help from the government with tax-payer's dollars while they don't pay taxes, and some receive much more help than US's own citizens do. All while saying "Fuck America". It's a big problem.

Ceausescu got executed after trying to escape with the helicopter

That video is pretty awesome lol. That's good to hear, so there is hope then! In the US, many politicians are either family friends, or related by blood throughout generations.

And nah gonna watch the Flynn video right now!

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Lmao, it seems weird from a US Citizen's perspective too, as we're taught throughout school that we pretty much have what's called a "direct democracy" when we really have a "republic with representative democratic properties". I think with each passing year, those "properties" are getting more totalitarian.

I don't expect US to change the system, they view everything that the founding fathers did as a foundation for the American nation. Except slavery lol.

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Ahhh, I was an existential nihilist at one point, that led down a dark rabbit hole of thinking. If nothing truly matters, then what's the point in doing anything? I had to switch my views up. But for me, Anti-Globalism isn't about preserving the color of a population, it's about keeping the culture of a nation alive.

This philosophy doesn't say how to look at your life, therefore you need to get a view yourself. There's no point in doing anything. The thing is, I don't need a point, I live my life because I was born, even if it doesn't matter in the end, doing things that I like brings me pleasure and I decided that one of the goals of my life is to bring myself pleasure.

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This philosophy also helps with anxiety, worrying about what other people think suddenly doesn't matter.

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Whether or not you want to follow moral rules is a personal choice. In comparison, morality rules of religions are not a personal choice therefore if I choose to respect moral rules I have a higher morality than most religious people who accepted these rules on society's pressure.

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Like I said to you before, if you entered an ice cream shop and wanted vanilla, chocolate or strawberry ice cream specifically, and they only had one flavor; every flavor blended into one, and that was the only type of ice cream available anywhere, ice cream would be boring and dull. It's a silly metaphor, but the same goes for culture; as humans we have the opportunity to visit places like South America, the United States, Japan, Italy, Britain, and even Romania, and experience their unique cultures.

I find History more interesting though, whether we want to or not, we are a species that have to reproduce. Tradition inevitably changes and the only thing that's left behind is history. If a population has an understanding of it's history I think that your hope of national identity will remain.

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I agree with this, this is the thing we seem to be struggling with right now. As long as you immigrate legally, and assimilate with the culture of the country that's taking you in, there's no problem. It's what our ancestors did and what you should be doing too; here we have illegal immigrants who are having children here, taking advantage of our system and help from the government with tax-payer's dollars while they don't pay taxes, and some receive much more help than US's own citizens do. All while saying "Fuck America". It's a big problem.

In Romania, the situation is pretty funny, the anti-immigration supporters say we should protect our Christianity from Muslim immigrants. The funny thing is, no Muslims want to come here, we have shit economy due to corruption and they are afraid of nonexistent threats lmao.