Deep Thoughts and Real Talk

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I have seen people in this group make a lot of good points on interesting topics that don't get discussed enough. The overemphasis on appearance in mating selection not being desirable, the doubles standards for men and women, the expendability of men, the social desirability of monogamy.

I think these are very interesting topics, and have tried to have real discussions about these issues, but if I bring up other factors like the media or advertising's role in perpetuating this, or the role that 9 month gestations play in male expendability, rather than these issues being solely a factor of women being innately evil (maybe they are, but I cant get this far in a discussion because...), then a curious thing always happens.

Users such as /u/AnimeRespecter and u/ClownWorld123 start acting just like little trans girls and call me things like 'Blue Pilled Cope Faggot" and ban me.

This is EXACTLY what trans people do

  1. Verbally abuse anyone who makes a nuanced argument that is not 100% consistent with their ideology

  2. Try to censor those discussions

  3. Use ideology specific insults "cisgender normy bigots" "blue-pilled cope faggots" to garner community support for their psychotic behavior

Obviously not all incels are like this, and many of you have more sense than this such as u/trident765 but this reflects very poorly on your group as a whole when members act exactly like little trans nazis. Not really something I'd want to emulate or be associated with

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[–]Mazurro 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Involving into discussion with normies like you is counterproductive. As I said in my comment few days ago:

How sustainable is that kind of "exiting"?

As sustainable as normalfag's brain can handle. Basically in all anti-incel or "helping incel" subs it's always the route of deradicalization of incels. You must follow with what they say, hobbies, no questioning your situation, no questioning reality, believing that it will change and under any circumstance - you cannot be an inconvenience to normies. You cannot be lonely, because it's feeling entitlement to companionship, you cannot say you were bullied, because it's anyway your fault.

Their approach is to make us gay crying niggas, who will kill themselves in the end, or who will resign from dating at all and say that all women are awesome.

But luckily, some of us won't listen to this shit. I hate foids so much.

And for what? To not have anyone questioning their retardation. They want to sit with non-hateful incels there to just "discuss" this stuff, treating our lifes as a fucking joke, as a fucking show.

I hate normies and foids so much

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They want to sit with non-hateful incels there to just "discuss" this stuff,

Um yeah I do expect them to follow the Saidit pyramid of debate in a Saidit public sub on s/all. If you want an echo chamber I hear CLownWorlds forum is good for that

[–]Mazurro 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

No one asked.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you have something to add to the conversation or are you just going to drag the discussion down the pyramid of debate?

[–]Mazurro 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't discuss shit with normies who cannot realise that their agenda might work on reddit for "muh virgin but not incel" type of idiot. What do you even want to discuss there? The selection that foids do? Awesome, discuss it, I don't give a fuck, you are free to do it there, just keep your comments how should I change my state, because you know fucking nothing about living as a subhuman man. Your advices might work for average or above average looking mentalcel, not for people who had been shamed for how they look entire life.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

just keep your comments how should I change my state,

Your advices might work for average or above average looking mentalcel

Nothing in my post was giving advice about relationships or saying you should change your views, nor was any of it directed at you personally. It was about two specific saidit users that are verbally abusing users who disagree with them, and generally acting like troons. I could care less that they are incels, that isn't what my post was about

[–]Mazurro 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I was talking about normies generally. Like literally in this thread someone called himself "sex having incel".

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Lmao, the sidebar of this sub says it was created to get away from your management, sounds like a blue-pilled faggot cope to me, why don't you go hang out over there where you belong 🤡

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

    Blue Pilled Cope Faggot

    These assholes tickle me to death; it’s so funny when I’m not the subject of their rage. They just run around banning people who disagree with them. The incels are just like ChipIt.

    1. I find the desirability of monogamy an interesting subject. To elaborate, I find male enforced monogamy, males on males, existing completely separate from women, an interesting subject. Many cultures that exhibit true monogamy, don’t leave the question up to women, they strongly enforce it on the men, regardless of what women want.

    2. I think there is a lot of potential for the incel community, if we or they can get past hating women.

    3. Little trans nazis is the best way to describe the community. Or better, to properly use the work, BIGOTS. We have lost the meaning or harshness of titles. Bigot used to mean something.

    [–]IndianaJones 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

    I like you, FYM. I've always respected you and HKP's input. Whenever I listen to criticism, I try to not take it personally. I tell myself "Yes, these two hold bluepilled views. But all I ask is that you listen". There's nothing wrong with being bluepilled after all. It's just an opinion. When you told me you would hug ER, that was all I needed to hear to respect you. Haha.

    But if these people are acting like little trans nazis as you say, why bother? If I thought someone was insufferable, I would walk away. I've noticed that you and HKP are in here a lot. Like... a lot. So why interact with a space that clearly unwelcomes you? To be honest I'm trying to have a similar mindset but with troons. Troons are clearly bad people, so why should I keep letting them live rent-free in my head? It's not my fight. I'll just let the politicians and Matt Walsh handle this.

    It would be the same thing if I started commenting on FDS and got banned. FDS is a female only space, so why would I intentionally go to places that I'm not welcome in, you feel me? If I commented on FDS and got banned, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. That's like me going to a KKK meetup and complaining that they don't allow blacks to join. I think they should be able to burn crosses in peace.

    I get that having a dialogue is important. Trust me, I'm the last guy who would want censorship. But perhaps instead of posting directly to s/RealIncels (Like a brown man barging into a KKK meetup unannounced) there could be a separate sub instead. Like s/AskAnIncel or something gay like that. That way, you can debate an incel all you want, while letting the other incels do whatever they want to in s/RealIncels.

    I'll be honest though, a sub like s/AskAnIncel won't be very successful. I predict that it would just be empty, because most of us are just tired of hearing the same things over and over again. That's all. Clubs! Salsa class! Muh social hobbies! Haha! Aha!

    My point is, if you clearly dislike the community, why bother? I do agree that if the mods are gonna ban normies, they should take this sub off s/all.

    If I asked you for a hug, would you say yes?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    But if these people are acting like little trans nazis as you say, why bother? If I thought someone was insufferable, I would walk away. I've noticed that you and HKP are in here a lot. Like... a lot. So why interact with a space that clearly unwelcomes you? To be honest I'm trying to have a similar mindset but with troons. Troons are clearly bad people, so why should I keep letting them live rent-free in my head? It's not my fight. I'll just let the politicians and Matt Walsh handle this.

    This is a lot. But I never would have heard the phrase “Blue Pilled Cope Faggot” had I not participated. I learn a lot here, like “toxic positivity”. I also believe the incel community is not a community to just ignore. Parts of me wants to learn, help, and honestly, this is great content. There’a discussions to be had.

    it would be the same thing if I started commenting on FDS and got banned. FDS is a female only space, so why would I intentionally go to places that I'm not welcome in, you feel me? If I commented on FDS and got banned, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. That's like me going to a KKK meetup and complaining that they don't allow blacks to join. I think they should be able to burn crosses in peace.

    Ah. There’s a point to be made here. It’s the middle of the night for me. I’m an incel though, I just have sex. And I go outside. But at the core, I’m one of you.

    My point is, if you clearly dislike the community, why bother? I do agree that if the mods are gonna ban normies, they should take this sub off s/all.

    I don’t dislike the community. I don’t know where you get that from. I was throughly happy when I read the article about the incel who was maxing women. That was great.

    [–]Mazurro 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

    I’m an incel though, I just have sex

    Unpaid sex, to just clarify, he isn't going for escorts. That's the state of normies in 2022, he is incel as well, but he has sex. Beyond retarded.

    [–]Jewishnigger 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Kekw

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Kekw.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Also, to clarify, if you saw the women I sleep with, you’d puke. Your too good for the women I fuck, and your too good for me.

    [–]Mazurro 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Sure, whatever you say "sex having incel"

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Do you have to be a virgin to be an incel?

    [–]Mazurro 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    No. However unpaid sex is something which removes incel label without second of hestiation.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    What if I have paid for sex?

    [–]Mazurro 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    If you have paid for a ugly hooker(as you said, I would puke) then you are retarded.

    If you pay for regular hookers, I'm fine with that and you would be incel. But you would say you paid for it square one

    [–]IndianaJones 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Parts of me wants to learn, help, and honestly, this is great content. There’a discussions to be had.

    Well I like that you care, man. That makes me feel important. Problem is, not all incels feel this way. Like I said, a lot of us are just tired of hearing the same things over and over again. You know how you read the author's name of an anti-white article and his name turns out to be some variation of "shekel" or "berg"? It's sort of like that. Kinda like a "well that doesn't surprise me" or "every time" moment. I'm not calling you a jew, I'm just saying there are patterns to be noticed.

    and honestly, this is great content

    If the content being entertaining is a reason for sticking around, I would say that's honestly a good reason. Just try and not make yourself too angry in the process. I like some good hate-porn myself sometimes (laughing at troons) but try and not piss yourself off too much. Not sure if you are at the moment, but seeing your interactions with ComedianSolarSystem123 had me thinking so. Don't take things too personally is what I'm trying to say, especially from randoms on the internet.

    Ah. There’s a point to be made here. It’s the middle of the night for me. I’m an incel though, I just have sex. And I go outside. But at the core, I’m one of you.

    Back in 2018, when Reddit didn't ban incels, we had a space that catered towards people just like you. It was called r/BlackPilledNormies. An incel having sex, by definition, does not make sense, since it means "involuntarily celibate". You are clearly not celibate, but you are still "one of us", as you put it. So you're a blackpilled normie. To be honest I'm quite normie myself. I don't think I'm ugly at all, but I'm blackpilled. So I suppose I'm a blackpilled normie.

    Maybe BPN should make a comeback, perhaps in the form of s/BlackPilledNormies. I've never really been the janny type so maybe someone else could make it. Hell, you could probably make it.

    I don’t dislike the community. I don’t know where you get that from.

    Oh ok lol, I shouldn't have made that assumption. Again, seeing your interactions with OpenMicNightWorld123 made me think perhaps the incel community isn't something for you. I get that he rages a lot, but that's what incel forums are for, for venting and uniting with like-minded people. Not to listen to those we were trying to get away from in the first place. Like a KKK meetup doing their thing in peace.

    I was throughly happy when I read the article about the incel who was maxing women. That was great.

    Haha yeah. Maxing women. In incel land we call this "ascending". I don't think I've read that article though, could you send it to me? I'd love to read it.

    If I asked you for a hug, would you say yes? Please?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    But if these people are acting like little trans nazis as you say, why bother?

    I read and respond to everything on s/all anything controversial that attracts discussion I am going to participate in.

    so why would I intentionally go to places that I'm not welcome in, you feel me?

    It is my understanding this sub is open to all, people have the option of participating in closed subs if they want to make people unwelcome, a sub on s/all is not the place for this

    But perhaps instead of posting directly to s/RealIncels (Like a brown man barging into a KKK meetup unannounced)

    Again, then wtf are you guys doing with a public sub if this isn't open for discussion and debate to all users of saidit? I don't go into CLownWorlds incel sub becaise it isnt public and I dont see the posts due to not subscribing. I don't go into other peoples private space, THIS one is public.

    [–]IndianaJones 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Yes, we don't disagree. I said that here.

    I do agree that if the mods are gonna ban normies, they should take this sub off s/all.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I also thought I was pretty clear that my comments about trans nazi's referred to two users in particular not the entire sub. If I really thought that everyone here was like that I would just troll all of you relentlessly like I do to those two rather than try to debate about it. I far prefer debate and discussion, but when people aren't capable of that, whatver

    [–]IndianaJones 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Yeah that's fair. Don't worry you were pretty clear I'm just slow lol.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think this sub brings up interesting topics, and often makes good and fair points about issues like sexual selection that affect all of society.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Also didn't mean to lash out at you there man, I just got a bit upset because I really don't feel like I come here to start shit, I think these are good discussion worthy topics, and I just like to participate on saidit and like the way we discuss issues outside the mainstream that I wouldn't otherwise be exposed to in subs like this.

    [–]IndianaJones 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    It's okay HKP :) you know just because we hold different views that doesn't mean we can't get along. Some people take it as a personal attack like they're out to get you or something. Haha. When s/RealIncels is right in front of you in s/all, it's hard not to comment on it, especially when most people use s/all as their default saidit browsing experience anyway.

    /u/trident765 /u/AnimeRespecter you can solve this problem instantly. If you don't want normies and women in here, just take s/RealIncels off s/all. It should be a checkbox that you untick in the sub settings.

    I get that growing a userbase could be an issue, but even a small but active userbase could be good. r/Realcels was easily the best incel subreddit ever made and that only had like 400 or so subscribers. Hell, it wasn't even public either. So you could make s/RealIncels invite only, similarly to r/Realcels. Indirectly, I've met two people irl because of r/Realcels (RIP Realcels 2018).

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure trident is the one who unbanned me actually, I get the idea that he is cool with discussions and debate

    [–]IndianaJones 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh okay lol, nevermind then.

    [–]EternalSunset 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We have had very few communities that aren't ban-happy, most of the incel forums out there have terrible moderation that bans people for really stupid reasons. I honestly agree with you on this point, this really is one of the shittiest aspects of the incelosphere.

    [–]FrothySolutions 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    What about cisgender people? What's going on here?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I am comparing the way both trans and certain members of incel community often tend to use ideology specific insults to attack people that attempt to debate with them, rather than addressing the arguments on their substance

    When trans people go berserk calling people cisgender bigots when anyone disagreees with them, this is quite analogous to how members of this community dismiss arguments by calling them a bluepilled faggot cope, rather than actually refuting the arguments on their substance. This is right out of the transgender tactic book, which I would not seek to emulate