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[–]Caamib_[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I'm not sure if you know who I am based on your reply but I was never into real pedophilia. I consider ephebophilia normal male sexual behavior and not a disease. I was never for sex with girls younger than 12. I am sorry if you think even that is pedophilia, you were likely brainwashed in that case.

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Yeah, you're exactly who I thought you were.

The whole "ephebophilia vs. pedophilia" thing is a losing argument. 90% or more of the population refers to people who are into 12-year-olds as pedophiles and talking down to us isn't going to change the tenor or conclusions of these discussions in any major way.

[–]Caamib_[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius said that in life it's important to not find yourself in the ranks of the insane. If 90 % of people said 1+1=3 would you claim that too ? I ensure you that any civilization that conquers today's America will be turbopatriarchal and rational on the age of consent thing.

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I don't think it's "insane" to suggest you ought to keep your hands off of 12-year-old girls. If you want to say it can be argued both ways, or that whatever age limit one chooses is arbitrary, that's fine, but don't act like I'm telling you 1+1 is 3.

[–]Caamib_[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

A century or so ago brothels were full of 12 year -old girls. Things seemed to work just fine.

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't think it's inherently unethical that you're attracted to 12-year-old girls. Frankly, better for you to be attracted to them than to other men.

That said, I was not ready to release my children into the world or the sexual marketplace at 12. It would have been a tragedy for them and me had they left home to marry or work independently at that age (to say nothing of entering a brothel). I still had things I wanted to teach my kids and do with them at that age.

As for the world of 100+ years ago, I'm not sure it was as different as you think. A story comes to mind. Ty Cobb's mom was married to his dad circa 1880, at the age of 12. Her father was not happy about this. She still played with dolls, it is said, and Ty was not born until years after the marriage. It's thought that Ty's future dad promised his father-in-law he'd wait for his wife to mature before consummating the marriage.

So the notion that a 12-year-old was a child was understood in the 1880s. And though they presumably "pair bonded," Ty's mom shot his dad dead with a shotgun when Ty was a teenager. We don't know if that's because she had a lecherous husband to guide her through adolescence instead of a mom and dad, but it all hints at a much more nuanced reality than you acknowledge.

Nevertheless, it seems you personally are pretty convinced that a female older than 12 would be unsuitable as your mate. I understand the concept of pair bonding and I believe in it, but I also think that most adolescent sexual experiences are too awkward, fraught, and unfulfilling to allow for pair bonding to occur.

Incels point out that women seem not to count certain sexual experiences toward their "number," and of course that's accurate and the phenomenon is female bullshit, but I think it also reflects the fact that sex - especially for women and especially when they don't reach orgasm - can be devoid of any meaning or long-term impact.

So although I'd never marry a harlot, I don't believe that a woman with some level of sexual experience has become worthless to me as a potential mate. I also think that your take on this matter is simplistic; women may be less diverse in their thought and behavior than men, but they're not so homogeneous that one couldn't find a suitable wife of 18 or (!) 20 years' age. There are even female virgins that age.

On a different note, I notice you use the phrase "age of consent." You are right about so many things, but I think you ought to take a step back and ask why the question is framed so completely around "consent."

The ethos of today holds that consent is the be-all / end-all of determining whether a given sex act is ethical. Have you examined the philosophical underpinnings of this belief?

Is "consent" in the sexual sense just a buzzword that sort of came out of nowhere ~50-100 years ago? Now we are getting close to the answer, and I sort of hinted at it in my first post here. Your thoughts on these issues are not as independent of globalist, conspiratorial manipulation as you imagine them to be.

[–]LionsMane 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So the notion that a 12-year-old was a child was understood in the 1880s.

That doesn't matter. The fact is that child marriage was legal back then because it was understood that such marriages could be beneficial to child and adult alike. In 1880, 37 states (in the USA) set the age of consent at 10 years, 10 states set an age of consent at 12 years, and Delaware had an age of consent of 7 years.

What was considered acceptable (or at least legal) before America became a feminist shithole is now considered criminal.

I understand the concept of pair bonding and I believe in it, but I also think that most adolescent sexual experiences are too awkward, fraught, and unfulfilling to allow for pair bonding to occur.

If child marriage didn't work, it wouldn't have been the norm in so many ancient patriarchal societies. Most virgin females of any age do not enjoy their first sexual experience regardless of whether it involves an adult man or a minor, but sex is something that they can learn to enjoy over time.

Teenage and preteen girls are no less likely to enjoy their first time with an adult man than with another teenager.

And though they presumably "pair bonded," Ty's mom shot his dad dead with a shotgun when Ty was a teenager. We don't know if that's because she had a lecherous husband to guide her through adolescence instead of a mom and dad, but it all hints at a much more nuanced reality than you acknowledge.

This means nothing except that there have always been unhappy child marriages, just like their have always been unhappy adult marriages. I suspect that child marriages have always been more successful on average than adult marriages, but I don't know for certain.

What I do know for certain is that most 20-year old women in the modern West are non-virgins and have been completely brainwashed by feminism and by the modern education system. The same is obviously not true for most 10-year olds. Most adult women have a habit of taking their bitterness and frustration out on decent men instead of on the scumbags that they sleep around with, and this makes them toxic to be around.

There is no benefit in waiting for a girl to turn 16 or 18 before dating her. As a general rule, the younger the woman/girl, the less bitter and entitled she is, and the more tolerable she is as a wife.

[–]Caamib_[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Brilliant post, but I'd like to emphasize something you're missing in the post. Only in patriarchal society do you get men dating teens. Feminists would never allow this because they want old hags to have value in the sexual marketplace. So your point about younger women being less tainted by feminism is irrelevant, as feminist societies make it extremely hard to impossible for older men to date such girls. What I'm trying to say is that in a sane society a 20 year-old woman wouldn't be poisoned by feminism. But still, why wait until 20 when you could date her when she's 15-16?

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    [–]Vulptex[A] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Also removed for advocating violence.

    [–]Caamib_[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Nevertheless, it seems you personally are pretty convinced that a female older than 12 would be unsuitable as your mate.

    This is simply not true.

    On a different note, I notice you use the phrase "age of consent." You are right about so many things, but I think you ought to take a step back and ask why the question is framed so completely around "consent."

    The ethos of today holds that consent is the be-all / end-all of determining whether a given sex act is ethical. Have you examined the philosophical underpinnings of this belief?

    Is "consent" in the sexual sense just a buzzword that sort of came out of nowhere ~50-100 years ago?

    I am not sure what answer to give you. Could you clarify your question a bit?

    [–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I am not sure what answer to give you. Could you clarify your question a bit?

    In order for a sex act to be ethical, must both parties consent to it?

    If both parties consent to a sex act, is that sufficient to declare the act ethical?

    [–]Caamib_[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I can't reply without breaking SaidIt's rules, sorry. Chances are my reply would be gone and possibly me from this site as well.

    [–]JosephDeMaistre 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Caamib thinks parties (by that he means the female party) needn't give consent. As a man cannot (normally) be raped by a woman, it's moot for him, whether a landwhale might want to have sex with him without his consent.

    But ask him whether men should be allowed to have sex with other men without consent? After all, we see all kinds of degeneracies like Delaware's age of consent (7 years) and brothels full of 12 y.o. girls listed as something normal here. But what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi then? Hey Caammy, you had quite effeminate looks when you were young. Would you have enjoyed some Ali or Ahmed penetrating your butthole at age 12? So?

    [–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The concept of consent is relatively new. This notion that it is the end all / be all of sexual ethics seems to me to be insufficiently examined.

    TL;DR muh consent