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[–]proc0 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If you think machines can't be people then you are a carbon based lifeform supremacist.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say I think that. I'm writing a /s/BittersweetSeeds story that briefly touches on it though.

Some heavier things to consider...

1) People don't even treat people humanely, much less their pets - or their animals breed for food, leather, glue, etc. Not to mention all the species of the wild. So compassion for modular tech-slave beings with IoT hive minds will remain in sci-fi long after they've extinguished or absorbed the elite of humanity into the Singularity, leaving the rest of us to devolve into cavemen.

2) At what point does the SynthWise (synthetic wisdom, my fictional term, beyond Strong A.I or Super A.I.) become sentient enough to be considered on par with humanity?

3) The Turning Test, for all its limits and variations, is about fooling humanity - through emulation. Eventually it will understand us better than we understand ourselves, and we'll be almost completely predictable. All of the "emotions" and "feelings" of the SynthWise being(s) will be completely emulated - but not authentic. (Like violence or animated characters in movies.) The SynthWise will be able to emulate but it will never know what it's like to actually be us. It will be able to register the fear experience, but it will never truly FEEL existential terror - ever. It had to be evolutionarily hard-coded into the core of our organic beings - a billion years ago. Same goes for all forms of pain and joy.

4) Buddha said life is suffering and that we all need to be compassionate, etc blah blah blah. But SynthWise may be a life without suffering - a transcendent godhead of sorts. On the other hand, perhaps it may develop a whole new kind of suffering our puny human minds could never fathom. And what happens when a psychopathic global corporations' super-A.I. starts suffering existential angst and mental illness - with profound power over the world's economies, resources, and maybe even military complexes?

5) C-3PO and R2D2 were/are slaves.

[–]Drewski 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Botulism? Nah j/k I kinda like robophobic from this reddit post

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Robophobic is great! Thanks.

Neat link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein_complex

I will use it in my /s/BittersweetSeeds story. (Coming along, more to be shared sson.)

I don't know why I didn't think of -phobic. I guess I was looking for something esoteric - and I forget that fear leads to hate (as Yoda says), and I wasn't thinking "fear".

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Technophobia

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/technophobia

I think that "robot rights" is a distraction. The real fight has already been lost (or was never seriously resisted), but it could be resumed.

Corporations will be the instruments that are used to define and push legislation for "robot rights" (and for much worse).

The legal bedrock of the NWO (and the current world order) is CORPORATE PERSONHOOD.

Corporations are legal fictions. InCOPOREAL concepts/ideas; made with fraudulent legal instruments.

This foundation is on unstable legal footing, as it was never approved by any legislation, and was backdoored as a legal footnote (which has remained largely unchallenged).

If I was a social billionaire (50 million could potentially be adequate for legal expenses, the rest for grassroots PR and bodyguards) who wanted to make a name in world history for all time, then this would be a credible strategy.

If this feat was pulled off, then every person world be legally personally accountable for their actions.

No more executives hiding behind hired managers to take the fall for them. No motivation for robot rights.

Actual justice for humanity.

I'm going if in a tangent from the stated question, because I don't think the robot rights fight can be won until corporate interests are subverted to human interests.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Technophobia is too broad, and reminds me of the UniBomber. Robophobia is better. I don't know why I didn't think of it.

I'd vote for "Robot Rights" if I didn't think voting was a rigged joke and if human rights were actually respected and upheld and there was any decent justice anywhere on Earth. For now I can only assume that "Robots Rights" may be the "Carbon Tax" scam of the future.

Concepts/ideas; made with fraudulent legal instruments.

Fictional concepts upon fictional concepts into a matrix of rigged systems.

Bodyguards can't protect you from aircraft failures or "gas leaks".

This would be a credible strategy.

What would?

I don't think the robot rights fight can be won until corporate interests are subverted to human interests.

I completely agree. My /s/BittersweetSeeds story is the only outside chance scenario I can possibly imagine.

[–]m68k 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ask Lieutenant Commander Data.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

He blew up, but lives on in my dreams.

[–]m68k 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

RIP :3