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[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

And stop calling it Christian

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Homophobia and transphobia are usually Christian in origin in the US. There's no rational reason to hate people for existing.

But Stonetoss is also anti-semetic, white supremacist, and anti-science on climate change and vaccination.

He would call himself a christian. Surely we can too.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

They're not of Christian origin. Their origin is people's deep-rooted fear of those who are different. Because sex is god to so many people, this is really unsettling. And their deepest fears seem confirmed when masses of LGBT activists literally defend homo and trans predation and pedophilia for woke points.

I'm tired of the "pagans welcomed gay and trans people" myth. No the fuck they didn't. They tolerated high-status men topping male slaves, but bottoms and lesbians were most definitely not okay to them. In fact those cultures are where later Christians borrowed the idea that gays are the epitome of evil.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

They're not of Christian origin.

They are these days in the US. All the heavily transphobic laws being passed now are due to politicians appealing to a radical christian base.

Their origin is people's deep-rooted fear of those who are different.

Yeah, that's the distal origin. But the proximal source is how Christianity has picked that up and amplified it, and preached that it's the good and ethical way to behave.

And their deepest fears seem confirmed when masses of LGBT activists literally defend homo and trans predation and pedophilia for woke points.

No, that the propaganda produced by the same groups to amplify support for their bigotry.

"Trans predation" is their word for having kids know about transexuality. The true outcomes of this are all good. Kids who are trans have a chance to understand who they are, and kids who aren't have a chance to accept it and not hate and discriminate against those who are.

"Trans pedophilia" is a term to drum up hatred. The reality is that pedophilia is just as rare amongst trans as it is amongst cis. (However it is more common amongst christians than it is amongst atheists: But that's likely cause as well as effect. The church is a good place to hide if your'e a sexual predator).

I'm tired of the "pagans welcomed gay and trans people" myth. No the fuck they didn't. They tolerated high-status men topping male slaves, but bottoms and lesbians were most definitely not okay to them.

Who do you mean by "pagans"?

There's a lot of cultures out there with a wide range of acceptance of gay and trans people. Tongans, for instance, have long had their Fakaleitī.

Christians welcomed gay people well enough at times when hatred wasn't being catered to because of politics. For instance, Frederick the Great of Prussia was well loved by the people (at the end of his life) in a very christian culture.

In fact those cultures are where later Christians borrowed the idea that gays are the epitome of evil.

They're perpetuating it now in the US.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It's not from Christianity and is even antithetical to it. The worst gay and trans haters are actually atheist, nihilist, Darwinists. Because to them, eliminating weak and abnormal people is simply fulfilling the process of natural selection.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's not from Christianity and is even antithetical to it.

Not in the US

The worst gay and trans haters are actually atheist, nihilist, Darwinists.

Okay. You know that I'm not going to believe that. Because it's so obviously bullshit, just by looking at anti-gay legislation in the US, and comparing with the bible belt.

But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What's your best evidence of that?

Because to them, eliminating weak and abnormal people is simply fulfilling the process of natural selection.

You're slandering atheists. Is it because you know deep down that they're more ethical than Christians?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There are more anti-gay Christians, but the most violent homophobes are usually Darwinist atheists. Most Christians just don't like gays because they're afraid, they've been told that God really hates gays and that gays are a plot by the devil, and honestly anymore most of it is probably just because it reminds them of the looney left. Pure Darwinists on the other hand see the game of natural selection as the whole meaning of life, so to them the strong have the right and even a duty to eliminate the genetic "failures". They believe in eugenics with no ethical boundaries at all. Not those who merely believe in evolution, but those who make a god out of it and deny that any other meaning or purpose exists. These people tend to be alt-right, and I mean alt-right, not "Oh no an orange man supporter!"

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There are more anti-gay Christians, but the most violent homophobes are usually Darwinist atheists.

proof?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You've never seen all those alt-right factions of nihilists? There's even some on this site (browse /s/debatealtright).

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's proof that "the most violent homophobes are usually Darwinist atheists", in your mind?

There's a lot of boxes you've missed. Not least "what is a Darwinist atheist?"

But importantly "what's your evidence that they're the most violent homophobes"?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I seem to be banned from /s/debatealtright.

I'm trying to find out why.