Calling Loveland PD During a Livestream After Reaction to Cold-Hearted Abuse of a 73 Year Old Woman - HighImpactFlix 36:43

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[–]fred_red_beans[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When was excessive force used?

How about here: https://youtu.be/IHTXuJgvU1g?t=320

This is a small old woman and they couldn't handle her without throwing her to the ground a couple times and dislocating her arm?

$14 bucks worth of crap that was left in the store.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's sad that she had dementia. They didn't know that and she was a fighter. While she was on the hood of the car, she was still fighting and trying to get away. Her mental state was not her fault, but it's surely not the police officers' fault. I also did not see where they threw her to the ground. He tried to get her arms and she curled her legs and went to the ground. Sad situation, but to call this abuse is stretching it.

[–]fred_red_beans[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sad situation, but to call this abuse is stretching it.

I disagree. The woman was no threat. There are much better ways to restrain someone without hurting them, for instance just bear hugging from behind and sitting down. I see no reason to use pain compliance with a small old woman.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We know now that she was no threat, but the officers didn't know that. She could have been on meth for all they knew. If they let their guard down, it gives opportunity for the assailant to get the upper hand. Did you hear about the professional MMA fighter who fought with a small, unarmed home intruder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIam1mMEYKM

There are plenty of cases of excessive force by the police, even if it's a minute amount of police/citizen interactions. I'm not trying to play that down at all. Sure this could have been handled differently and I wish every interaction between the police and citizens ended peacefully. It also could have ended in the death of a police officer had this woman been carrying a weapon, whether she had dementia or drugs. One of the events that changed my perspective on this subject was seeing an uncensored compilation of dash and body cam videos of police letting their guard down and being killed by seemingly peaceful people. Human nature seems to promote stereotyping and a certain amount of callousness. I'm not saying it's right, but I understand it. How do we locate the fine line between excessive force and not enough force? Until then, we have differing opinions on incidents like this.