Is it a good thing that mtf trans people are subjecting themselves to the performance of femininity?

submitted by fork4k from self.PinkPillFeminism

I think it's generally agreed upon here that femininity is a bad thing to take part in - right? If that's the case, then aren't mtf trans people (who I assume most people are against on here? I'm not sure if /r/pinkpillfeminism is gender critical but I'd assume so) sort of conveniently shooting themselves in the foot? I wonder if all the bullshit that goes with self-objectifying and sexualizing yourself is what contributes to their relatively high suicide rate.

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[–]_Moon_ 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I do not (want to) claim to speak for PinkPill Feminism, but I personally do not consider femininity to be something that is bad per se. There are some aspects of femininity I consider to be wholesome and valuable and some aspects I do not see as critical anymore as I did in my radfem days.

Depending on the context, wholesome aspects of femininity could be empathy and sensitivity, emotional intelligence, or being helpful and encouraging rather than competitive. Things I do not necessarily consider to be as negative as I did - or tried to do - during my radfems days are all these things regarding clothes, hairstyles, armpit hair, etc.

Admittedly, I find radical feminism to be just as cringe as "third-wave feminism" these days, albeit for different reasons. From what I have seen, "Radical Feminism" is largely made up of a bunch of gray-haired hippie boomers who believe in all that Woodstock bullshit from the '60s: everything is just because of "socialization", referring to human nature and biology is reactionary, the problem with transsexuals is that they have been "socialized" as men ("I'm afraid of your socialization" must be one of the most cringe-worthy phrases of all time), and once we've outlawed porn, we can all go back to this glorious golden age of a mystical past, in which men and women were all happy, egalitarian vegans who held hands and worshiped the mother goddess together with the fairies. Hippie BS served with a side-dish of ecofascism. And "gender-critical" feminists often hate transsexuals for all the wrong reasons. So many of them are married boymoms who love their "masculine" and hate "unmasculine" men. Everyone who opposes transgenderism now calls themselves "gender critical", although they often oppose them for all the wrong reasons. It's a community full of conservative Christians and similar types. "Gender critical" seems to go hand in hand with hating "unmasculine" men for not being masculine enough, with hating bisexual men for being bisexual, etc.

So I think all of these debates about masculinity and femininity are so often petty and superficial. And the more honest I am to myself, the more I came to realize that I honestly don't give a fuck if someone shaves her armpit hair or not or wears make-up or not.

More specific to your question: my impression is, that transsexuals usually do not perform those parts of femininity that really are toxic and self-destructive. From what I have seen and heard and read, they are just as aggressive about their desires than all other men. We do not see female transsexuals send rape threats to gay men - but male transsexuals are as creepy, rapey, and aggressive as all other men.

A toxic and self-destructive element of femininity might be self-denial. That women are expected to deny themselves and their own desires and sacrifice themselves to help men. I do not see that among male transsexuals. Quite the opposite. They threaten to cancel, rape, and kill you if you do not kowtow to them and accept their bullshit - just like other men.

They seem to be very obsessed with anime, though. At least that's my impression, but I'm not sure. So I guess if they spend a lot of time comparing themselves to anime girls, that ... would make their issues worse, of course. And they all seem to be extremely pornsick and life in a parallel world of anime and porn. Then again, porn is full of "shemales" as well, so it's hard to tell how that influences their body image.

As far as the suicide rate is concerned, it seems to me, that there is no place left where people who wish to be the opposite sex can get help. Like, imagine a person who wishes to be the opposite sex but realizes that this is not possible. Where should such a person go to? I'm pretty sure that the whole field of psychology, the whole medical-industrial complex has been "cleansed". At "best", they might run into a therapist who tells them that they aren't "really" trans - but that just results in them pondering even more and even longer about whether they "really" are trans or not instead of dismissing this whole bullshit ideology as a whole.

So yeah ... I guess those were my two cents.

[–]_Moon_ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

gray-haired hippie boomers who believe in all that Woodstock bullshit from the '60s: everything is just because of "socialization", referring to human nature and biology is reactionary, the problem with transsexuals is that they have been "socialized" as men

Come to think of it: in a way, transgenderism is nothing but peak leftism, anyway, and Radical Feminism is obviously one branch of '60s leftism, despite them usually denying it. And historically, the leftist view of human nature is to see it as a "blank slate", as a "tabula rasa": instead of humans being shaped by evolutionary psychological adaptations (which is nothing but reactionary pseudo-science according to the left), it all comes down to muh socialization.

And in a way, transgenderism just brings this worldview to its logical conclusion: human nature is nothing but a "social construct", biology doesn't matter, and men can be women because these categories are just social constructs themselves who do not essentially exist. ("Essentialism" is another thing leftists hate and accuse everyone who disagrees with them of promoting.)

So maybe this is part of the reason why RadFems have lost. Because the third-wave feminists have simply taken the second-wave feminist's anti-scientifical worldview to its most radical conclusion.

[–]Happy_face_caller 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I don’t have an issue with femininity at all, I don’t like pickmes who use femininity to manipulate men ans stand on other women, or as some gottcha that performing femininity is some ruler who’s is and isn’t woman enough, but I do not like how trans identified males use feminine stereotypes to claim to be women and infiltrate sports or prisons.