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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't know how many hold this belief but, if men are dominant by nature and that can be observed with many other species as well, I don't think that women are the way they are because of socialization. I believe the majority of them are submissive by nature, even the ones that are not into bdsm and choking or whatever.

[–]Portrynial 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh hell no we're not submissive by nature. Actually I suspect that the dominant/submissive dichotomy (outside of fantasy) isn't real. It's more like a psychotic male fantasy that they turned into a social norm. The natural state of women might be neutral instead of either one. And neutral might be interpreted as "submissive" in a masculine-obsessed world. Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTyQgwVvYyc

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Moids have definitely reinforced the submissive role whether its societal or not. I don't know , I happen to be very pessimistic in this regard, all the experiences I've had with other women doesn't help since it only strengthens that belief on me.

Regarding the video , I still believe most social animals often fall into a definite hierarchy. Primates, wolves, and lions all have a definite “alpha” that eats first, has the majority of sex, competes with other males and asserts dominance over others.

However, seeing the like and dislike ratio gave me a chuckle, men no matter what will always be insecure about their cocksimping culture

[–]Portrynial 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see it differently. I would not call the lion who eats first an "alpha." I would call it a psychopathic male who's abusing the females, even if it's just an animal. It reminds me of an idea someone said back in reddit's pinkpill or blackpill threads. That even in nature, males have almost exclusively existed to act as parasites to the females. From simpler organisms (I forgot what the examples were) to everything else.

Other animal species have a more cooperative social hierarchy that's instead based on the family, with the mother and father obviously as the leader. The best hierarchies are probably based on placing the oldest and wisest creature as the leader, like in elephant matriarchies. https://seaworld.org/animals/all-about/elephants/behavior The male elephants do compete with each other, but their smaller groups are socially unstable.