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[–]radfem 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
The most popular types of porn are the extremely abusive ones...
Like does anyone honestly believe that these men are focusing on the fact that the women they are watching are paid actors who aren't really being abused whilst they masturbate?
[–]tuesday 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
This is excellent!! A problem cannot be fixed until it is first accurately identified. Women have been fighting sexism and misogny since forever, which is a huge clue that it's a lot more pervasive then many women are comfortable with. There is some percentage of the male population which just never stops trying to keep women in servitude and the reason for this, is because we're just appliances to them and they only get concerned when the appliance stops serving their needs fast enough. No matter how much educational campaigns and kind hearted attempts are made, eon after eon, they just don't ever stop -- but we can never address that as long as we keep pretending that sexism will stop "one day" "if we just try harder".
How many women have to suffer before there's a collective consensus that the standard feminist strategy just isn't going to fix anything?
Anyway, i'm glad to see some teenage girls who are aware that causing women pain is the entire goal. Maybe now we can finally get somewhere!
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[–]radfem 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun - 3 years ago (16 children)
But men are?
Also, the existence of gay male porn gives men the stupid arsed opportunity to argue that 'men are abused in porn too... this totally isn't like a feminism issue at all!'
So like... still not really any better than watching straight porn.
[–]catharticoverdrive 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun - 3 years ago (11 children)
But men are
Who cares?
Best thing that happens? Men start to care. Worst thing that happens? They come down with us.
Wow! Because I totally care about men's disingenous arguments and see them as tiny little babies that are just misunderstood and who definitely wouldn't grasp at straws trying to find a single argument they could use! I would give them multiple inches in order to persuade them without expecting them to take a whole mile! /s
You can try asking them how male exploitation in the porn industry lessens female exploitation?
[–]radfem 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago* (10 children)
If you don’t care about literal children being preyed upon by men just because those children happened to be male then you’re supporting pedophilia and your just as gross as those men who do it.
If you don’t want to talk about how male children are exploited fine but don’t try to say it’s okay for people to consume this crap just because.
The fact also remains that men will use whatever straw man argument they can to keep up their supply of porn. You might not care or be won over by these but society at large is... like not everything is about how smart you are. Ya know.
Ps... men start to care? Oh yeah cos men getting raped has clearly had an impact on how men view rape and not just been used as a straw man which is exactly what the tool going... I only watch GAY porn... is doing... not all men’s porn watching is bad... I don’t watch bad porn. If you’re honestly fooled by that I feel sorry for you.
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[–]radfem 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago* (8 children)
Literal pieces of crap don't care about people so it's okay for you not too... sure if you think modeling yourself after pieces of crap is a good idea. You do you boo.
If you'd actually read the thread some piece of crap bragged about watching gay porn and when I told them it wasn't cool some tool decided to jump in with gay porn isn't a feminist issue so we don't care about it and what men do to each other... which a. yes it is and b. even if it isn't, just because somethings not a feminist issue doesn't mean we can't call it out as gross.
I didn't bring up gay porn. Talk to the tool who did if you want to discuss whether or not gay porn should be talked about in a feminist sub.
PS women are the ones who have male children... so like... every male child walking the planet has been directly brought into this world through the actions of a woman, so like... women aren't responsible for their life choices now?
PPS if you literally shrug your shoulders at tools watching gay porn... then yeah your exactly as bad as the women who shrug their shoulders about their men watching straight porn. You are complicit in the exploitation by not calling it out.
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[–]radfem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago* (6 children)
This isn't about male responsibility... you said women have no responsibility to caretake male children... but who has the male children... show me the male child brought into this world without a woman's involvement.
Meanwhile, you can't have it both ways, either porn is bad and the women who don't call people out for watching it are scum because they add to the abuse by upholding the industry... or they're not. Which is it?
PS. I actually need to know because I've had some ragging arguments with libfems over the years about why women do/don't need to speak out about the porn industry... so I might need to go make some apologies to them.
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[–]radfem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago* (4 children)
I'm not saying women are responsible for male children specifically, you said women have no responsibility to male children because men take no responsibility for female children... but where's the logic in that. Women produce both male and female children (as do men but as previously discussed men are a piece of crap).
I'm saying adults have responsibilities to children.
Any adult walking past a lost child just because they aren't related to them is a piece of crap.
Any woman supporting porn of any kind is a piece of crap.
No grey area and if you honestly can't see why I feel sorry for you. You are clearly still too libfem.
PS. This is literally the way radical feminists deal with pedophile culture. When a man is caught abusing a female child we talk about how it is enabled by society. This is what radical feminism is all about looking at the systems that exist to enable these behaviours. We call the people who turn a blind eye to the underage girls who are trafficked into prostitution piece of crap who are just as bad as the actual abusers... why is it different when it's a male child. Why does it suddenly become childish? Please I'm genuinely curious?
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[–]radfem 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago* (2 children)
Yes, gay male porn is a feminist issue for the reasons that I've described.
Meanwhile, you're the one who brought up gay porn so you can't accuse me of going off-topic. You opened that door and if you enjoy watching men being abused you're still a piece of crap.
Especially considering that like women most of the men abused in the porn industry are young (if not literal children). So definitely a piece of crap for all the same reasons the consumers of straight porn are.
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[–]radfem 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago* (0 children)
Yes because it gives tools like you the breathing room to turn around a go... my abusive porn which probably uses unwilling underage actors is okay because...
There’s no grey area. Amongst other issues the people producing your gay bear porn... doubtful that that’s all they’re producing. Doubtful that that’s actually the only porn you watch. In fact a recent study found that a lot of men made their way to pedophilic porn through other types of extreme, pornography.
And by the way... you aren’t the first gay guy to think that just because he’s gay he has some special insight into feminism that other guys don’t... that he’s all woke and ain’t hurting women no way no how...
Ps. My porn watching isn’t bad is just a longer winded, not all men... not all men watching porn are bad, I’m not bad. Had guys argue the same thing about only watching vanilla porn... or only watching porn from reputable studios. Didn’t work for them won’t work for you.
PPS. after looking at how much time you’ve spent talking about whether this sub is unfairly banning people I’m fairly certain you came here specifically to make an extremely off topic comment just so it would be removed and you could complain with the rest of your shitposting boyfriends.
How uncomfortable for you now.
[–]lavender_menace 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (2 children)
That was my excuse too. Women are not hurt when I watch gay porn.
The thing is, the money they haul is used to make more traditional porn, which does hurt women.
[–]radfem 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
Thankyou...
Like jesus christ porn is bad like how hard is that concept.
[–]Mencantbewomen 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
So many very young men are also recruited by the industry because of the appeal of "twinks" and stuff like that. I don't believe they enjoy themselves either. We shouldn't look at any potential minors being hurt, regardless of their gender.
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