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[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I feel your comment, while well meaning, was wrongheaded in several respects. Teachers are measured all the time. They have to create lesson plans, report about how the class is doing, etc.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Most teachers teach the same class every single year, they can just reuse lesson plans, download them from the internet, follow the text book etc. It can all be done in one weekend and reused forever. Having a lesson plan does not make you a good teacher.

Reporting how well students are doing is completely subjective. It is simply giving your opinion. Every moron on the planet has an opinion. Having an opinion does to make you a good teacher.

The only valid way to measure a teachers performance is to test the students at the beginning of the year, test them at the end of the year, and test their IQ. How much they learned, corrected for IQ is as close as you could ever get to an objective measure of a teachers performance and no one does that. In fact the entire industry is currently in denial about IQ altogether.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So you're shitting on efficiency?

Do you buy or make all new tools for every new task?

LAME arguement.

Yes everyone has an opinion, but you've got to go on something. If Joe can't even add then it's not an opinion that he sucks at math. If Bob is constantly disrupting class, then it's not a secret or opinion that he's a bad student. There may be any number of reasons why these students are like this, but if the teacher doesn't even note these and other issues good, bad, or ugly, then the students won't get help from the school, from home, from therapists, or from future reflection.

" Every moron on the planet has an opinion. "

Even you and I it seems.

I.Q. tests are exceptionally limited, subjective, and have their biases - as do all tests.

" In fact the entire industry is currently in denial about IQ altogether. "

That is some truth.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why is it that every conversation with you devolves into you either not being able to follow the conversation or pretending you can't follow the conversation to try and take it off the rails?

Efficiency has nothing to do with it.

Teachers are measured all the time. They have to create lesson plans, report about how the class is doing, etc.

This is what I am responding to. The conversation is about performance metrics, and what makes a teacher good. I am pointing out how a lesson plan is not a valid measure of the quality of a teacher, or of how hard they work, or how intelligent they are, or how effectively they teach the kids.

IQ tests are absolutely not "limited" in measuring how easily students learn; that is what they excel at. It is what they do best. And they absolutely do not have bias, that is propaganda.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" Why is it that every conversation with you devolves into you either not being able to follow the conversation or pretending you can't follow the conversation to try and take it off the rails? "

Ironic coming from you.

" they can just reuse lesson plans, download them from the internet, follow the text book etc " " Efficiency has nothing to do with it. "

Really?

Further, your blanket statement doesn't consider that they may be improving on their reused and downloaded lessons - as if they are just robots obeying a program.

Your criteria and judgments for qualifying what makes a "good" teacher are far from neutral biased to demonize them from go.

" I am pointing out how a lesson plan is not a valid measure of the quality of a teacher, or of how hard they work, or how intelligent they are, or how effectively they teach the kids. "

Now you are, but you didn't state that then - leaving me to guess your intentions. So your allegation that I "_ take it off the rails_" is actually on your unclear communication.

" IQ tests are absolutely not "limited" in measuring how easily students learn "

That is NOT what I said, but yes, if you want to get specific, the tests do not measure how easy it is. Nor does it measure how much they learn. Nor does it do a lot of things. THE TESTS ARE LIMITED. They try to learn what the kids have learned. And of course those tests CAN be and ARE biased in many ways - from the way they present the questions and the language used to the very form of the test itself. For example, kids who don't deal with multiple questions, pressure, or other variables are not considered.

Tests can be a useful tool. They can also be weaponized so to speak.

" And they absolutely do not have bias, that is propaganda. "

Now who's spouting propaganda?