Proposed sub: /s/InfiltratorWatch

submitted by JasonCarswell from self.NewSaidits

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In /s/NewSaidits I previously posted:
" Please Consider These Potential New Subs, Volume 1 | Part 1: NewSaidits' Proposed Guidelines + Part 2: Potentially Fun Interactive Subs "

I kept it focused on lighter ideas avoiding heavier topics and politics despite being tempted. I was very close to making an exception for one particular idea...

Proposed sub: /s/InfiltratorWatch

Purpose: A sub for organizing some kind of SaidIt counter-troll awareness and resistance campaign. In this sub our community could discuss what forms and functions this "Infiltrator Watch" takes (for lack of a better name). Here's a list of ideas to consider employing, with additions and/or subtractions as we see fit:

  • A weekly newsletter cautioning SaidIt on STABs (shills, trolls, and bots).
  • Exposing STAB techniques.
  • Current event updates on STAB activities.
  • Developing creative, fun, and/or interactive awareness projects (to keep this from getting boring and people becoming complacent).
  • Provide tools to recognize and endure STAB psychological attacks.
  • Promote cooperative self-policing of our own community (rather than rely solely on admins and mods that may or may not be active everywhere at all times).
  • SaidIt savvy tools (like the OP pointing out how to easily recognize new users).
  • How to remain skeptical of new users without alienating authentic fresh voices.
  • STAB tactics, short games, long games, etc.
  • Pattern recognition in names.
  • Precautions not to openly expose patterns to motivate the STABs to be more effective disruptors.
  • Precautions against trusting unsolicited private messages from new users.
  • Developing Private Message networks of trusted friends for emergencies and/or SaidIt news.
    1. Develop ways to fairly best determine who's trustworthy without tribalism, drama, and/or pettiness.
    2. A post or wiki can maintain a tree of names openly (or WOSC?).
    3. The tree has no social status ranking, it's just a route of delivery, listing who's responsible for sending and who receives.
    4. A seeder sends a message to 10 people who send the message to 10 people who send the message to 10 people who send the message to 10 people and you've covered most people.
    5. Confirm that all branches of the tree were successfully delivered to.
  • etc.

What do you think of /s/InfiltratorWatch?

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[–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The infiltrators are pretty obvious. They come here not to learn and consider another point of view, but to denounce and push an agenda. We have several long term infiltrators currently. I guess you know you're on target if you're getting flak, so there's that. But if it were up to me, I think I'd just remove them.

Half of Reddit now is likely "stabs". There is value in people's perceptions. Look at how much is spent on advertising. How anyone could say an election was stolen with 100k in facebook ads in a billion dollar election campaign shows the effectiveness. An open site such as saidit will always be open to infiltration.

However, I do appreciate the free thinkers that I do see on this site.

Infiltration is as old as societies. I think it could be argued that the current paradigm of masks and lockdowns etc have nothing to do with disease, but management of trust networks and making those that do form obvious so that they can be managed.

An online trust network could be formed using encryption keys et al, but that could be infiltrated too.

Decentralized empowerment of the individual may be a good path to explore.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Not all of them are obvious. The obvious asstrolls are just distractions. While the other infiltrators might rightfully say how lame and obvious they are while making friends and building confidence to do more severe damage later. Like it or not, DiogenesJunior and others may be associated with them. Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but I wouldn't ever run a psyops on only one level were I in that racket.

Then again, most cops are stupid, or they'd see the error of their ways. So too, half of everyone is stupider than average. Combined it makes for humour. At Burning Man the narcs were ALWAYS easy to tell from far away, dressing and acting weird to blend in, but doing so poorly that they were more than obvious. Though I have to give credit, a story I heard and did not witness, there was a narc at Burning Man who wore a "NARC" T-shirt and people thought it was a costume and were stupid enough to offer him stuff - and got busted.

You're right about the muzzle virtue signalling, "we're all in this together" - except the corporatocracy who's leaving everyone screwed.

Yes, I wonder about the online trust network too. There must be a way or many ways to resolve this dilemma.

Decentralized empowerment of the individual may be a good path to explore.

Wisdom.

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yea, they're more obvious to folks like you and I who have been here. The stupid ones didn't work too well, and it seems the game has been stepped up a bit.

I try not to get to worried about it. We are in a chaotic time where this is commonplace. I think it's best to stay true to one's self even if the mob and everyone else is against it.

Real trust is earned by action, not by rhetoric or perception.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

best to stay true to one's self

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Real trust is earned by action, not by rhetoric or perception.

Double wisdom.

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    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Maybe. Until it's impossible to ignore. IMO we need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.