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[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

In a land with free food. But such a land is destined to become a death trap, anyone with a brain would escape it as soon as possible. And when food is scarce, mindless reproduction leads to ruin.

People who get food first survive the longest to reproduce more, no?

How so? The amoral degrade, the faithful keep evolving. The judgement day is a question of time.

In a battle to the top the amoral win. It's just the state of this world, you cheat and win, play fair and get crushed by the cheaters.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

People who get food first survive the longest to reproduce more, no?

Yes. And their children will keep fighting. Every surviving creature, big or small, will grow better at reproduction and murder. Until the land becomes so deadly it's completely random. A death trap.

In a battle to the top the amoral win. It's just the state of this world, you cheat and win, play fair and get crushed by the cheaters.

A cheater born among the honest will win. He will tempt other potential cheaters. Then, they will begin building their own doom.

Game pieces can't cheat. We can choose our type. But we aren't the one who decides the rules and moves the pieces.

We can keep a desire in the heart. We can't force you mind to restructure itself in accordance with this desire. This just happens, a process we don't initiate and can't control.

The body follows the mind, the world adapts to the shape and actions of the body. But the exact way the world reacts, we can't control.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Yes. And their children will keep fighting. Every surviving creature, big or small, will grow better at reproduction and murder. Until the land becomes so deadly it's completely random. A death trap.

That's the idea. Evolution supposedly boils down to randomness, and the best results winning out over the worse ones. I told you it's evil.

A cheater born among the honest will win. He will tempt other potential cheaters. Then, they will begin building their own doom.

Game pieces can't cheat. We can choose our type. But we aren't the one who decides the rules and moves the pieces.

We can keep a desire in the heart. We can't force you mind to restructure itself in accordance with this desire. This just happens, a process we don't initiate and can't control.

The body follows the mind, the world adapts to the shape and actions of the body. But the exact way the world reacts, we can't control.

Okay, but that's got nothing to do with the concept of evolution.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

evolution supposedly boils down to randomness

Those who evolve at random, would be the first to die out. All cells constantly mutate. Our actions and lifestyle put all cells in our body under directed stress. Cells incompatible with our actions die faster. Compatible cells, prosper and multiply. This way, our evolution is not random.

Those who just endlessly run in circles won't win, even if they are in the lead. They'll only get better at running. Cheating can make one the first. But in this endless race, there are no victory conditions.

Controlled evolution is the way. Morality gives us more control over it.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

When you do something random, a few at the extreme ends of the curve will end up with the most desirable traits. And those will win out.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In our cells there are 4 very long DNA molecules. The coolest traits require different correct genes in all four working harmoniously. Randomness can easily damage one of your traits, but to create one, you would need some really extreme luck.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes, and those with extreme luck are the ones that thrive and reproduce the most. It's all luck, and the lucky ones win and everyone else gets screwed.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I think you are underestimating the amount of luck required.

In practice, the difference between the most and the least powerful people always lies within the mind, and the mind is shaped by one's morality. Plus, complex animals don't suddenly give birth to their super version, any new trait will only help with reproduction if it is valued by the society.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The idea is that the ones with the most desired traits will be more successful at reproduction. At first it will be the extreme right side of the curve. But then next generation the size of that will increase exponentially. Then again and again and so on.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Sure, if they have no childhood traumas. And their society cares about their trait. And their trait is attractive. Otherwise, this super rare improbable specimen will either perish, or live a relatively standard life.

Genghis Khan had many children, but how powerful were they compared to him? No one cares about your potential. Most living humans have enormous hidden potential they will never realize.