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[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And the unimportant window-dressings that have become the defining words for each side, are endlessly focused on, so that no one has the time or energy to discuss anything of any importance.

We are drowning in a sea of irrelevance, created by the media.

[–]hennaojisan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The dog and pony sideshows of the Hegelian Dialectic are there to amuse and distract us as we move down the ever-narrowing cattle chute toward...the future.

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

this won't be true in 5 years from now

[–]IamRedBeard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Care to elaborate?

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The two major political parties won't have aligned interests on the mentioned issues. Also, the United States of America might be embroiled in a hot civil war, assuming current trends continue into the future.

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You know, I worried about this too at first. There are a few things that lead me to believe there wont be a civil war. First off, The Trump Republicans are crazy but they are also used to being rich and making money. There is no money in a civil war. Americans also be crazy. The entire lower fifty would be like North Ireland in the 70s'. The war would never end.

Second, there are out of touch centrists that lean slightly right that dont pay much attention to the news that will say in the polls that they like Trump and he is doing a fine job that absolutely will not stand by him when he turns maximum crazy. His popularity has never even reached 50% not once. He just doesn't have the Juice.

He has alienated everybody. The FBI, CIA, NSA, Libertarians, independents, Democrats and half the Military. A lot of people still fallow because he IS Commander and Chief and they are staunchly Patriotic to a fault and serve the Constitution. But he has made enemies on all sides and every last one is waiting their turn.

Finally, These people in trumps cabinet have no friends. Trump has proven time and time again that if you are not with him you are against him. He will throw anybody under the buss no mater how long they have served him. Right now Trump is a useful tool that is making the rich wealthy and the wealthy, filthy stinking wealthy. A civil war would put that in jeopardy. If he puts their money in jeopardy, they will throw him under the buss. He is too stupid to know that he is a tool.

No. It will be ugly for a while. People will die. But without gerrymandering in place they cant win. This is a liberal country and they cannot win without cheating. The more they cheat and swindle and rob us the more of us stand up. The more they put kids in cages, the more of us stand up. The more they take away healthcare and refuse to pay a living wage the more we stand up. Democracy is a process and things dont get done overnight. Hillary, the Russians and the DNC had us divided on the last election. Trumps own polls show that he has no real chance in 2020. I have hopes we will put this behind us soon enough.

If you made it this far, thanks for reading :D

/rant.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Our government does not want a civil war, maybe other international institutions do or think tanks to obliterate our soverignty but there likely will not be a civil war instigated solely by political interests. If our economy collapses, worse than what we saw in late 2007 early 2008, then there could be major civil strife.

First off, The Trump Republicans are crazy but they are also used to being rich and making money. There is no money in a civil war. Americans also be crazy. The entire lower fifty would be like North Ireland in the 70s'. The war would never end.

All of them are crazy, you use that word a lot and to them it really doesn't mean anything. They are smart in how the utilize cognitive infiltration and cointelpro tactics. Trump says the things he says not because he believes in his alleged twitter posts and wonky speeches, but because it is a means to divide and conquer. If anything Trump is Israel first, America maybe. His base aligns with the Likud hard-liners and Zionists.

There is no money in a civil war. Americans also be crazy. The entire lower fifty would be like North Ireland in the 70s'. The war would never end.

No money in a civil war for most entities but some institutions would make a rackett off of it. Look back at the Bolshevik Revolution, most Russians did not support it, but a few thousand people were able to successfully take over the government. New York banks funded the revolution as did Germany. There was civil strife around Russian, pogroms by the whites against the reds and pogroms by the reds against the whites. I do not think that will happen in the US though.

Second, there are out of touch centrists that lean slightly right that dont pay much attention to the news that will say in the polls that they like Trump and he is doing a fine job that absolutely will not stand by him when he turns maximum crazy. His popularity has never even reached 50% not once. He just doesn't have the Juice.

Polls don't mean much, nobody in washington cares about polls except mockingbird media. I'm not one to like Trump but I do question his motives when it comes to foreign policy. Many of the neoconservative neotrotskyites such as Willam Kristol hate Trump. I find that odd because these are the same warmongers that cooked up the war on terror in the early 90's. They urged Clinton to go to war with Iraq but the bombing in 1998 was not enough for them. Bush and specifically Cheny and all the Zionist likud party hard-liners used the "new pearl harbor' as a pretext for their agenda authored in the PNAC documents and Clean break documents sponsored by Benjamin Netanyahu.

So, it's odd to me that Kristol would hate Trump when it seems Trump has a bunch of neocons around him including Bolton and others. If anything I think it is all a show to get those on the left-wing news to support a coming war with Iran. The necons want a war but they want Iran to initiate it. I think the plan is to interview the bush neocons on msnbc and cnn in order to trump up suppoort for the coming war.

He has alienated everybody. The FBI, CIA, NSA, Libertarians, independents, Democrats and half the Military. A lot of people still fallow because he IS Commander and Chief and they are staunchly Patriotic to a fault and serve the Constitution. But he has made enemies on all sides and every last one is waiting their turn.

Trump has alienated many persons and institutions but how much of it is true, and how much of it is theatrics and propaganda/distraction?


I agree Trump is a useful tool, I just hope to dear god that the neotrotskyites do not get to him.

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I cant tell if I like you or not.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Trump Republicans are crazy but they are also used to being rich and making money.

So people who are skilled at moneymaking are "crazy"? I want to be that kind of "crazy".

There is no money in a civil war.

Military Industrial Complex? International interests? What's the value of land in a war zone?

Americans also be crazy. The entire lower fifty would be like North Ireland in the 70s'. The war would never end.

It would end eventually. Either liberty will prevail, or the commies and their fascists allies will imprison and execute everyone who loves freedom. That's really where it's at.

Second, there are out of touch centrists that lean slightly right that dont pay much attention to the news that will say in the polls that they like Trump and he is doing a fine job that absolutely will not stand by him when he turns maximum crazy.

PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NEITHER THE PROBLEM NOR THE SOLUTION!

He has alienated everybody. The FBI, CIA, NSA,

So all the spy agencies poisoning public discourse to keep our people divided. Fuck them.

Democrats

Fuck them too!

This is a liberal country and they cannot win without cheating.

It may have once been, before I was born anyway, but it certainly isn't now.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism

If anything America is currently a Fascist country.

If you truly believe all that other garbage you wrote, OMG you are actually dumber than me. Stop watching CNN and MSNBC you fucking NPC!

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That is funny. All you have is FOX and some off the wall backwoods Alt-right conspiracy Deep-state "the world is against us" propaganda news papers and that is IT.

The entire rest of the world knows what poison Trump and his Fanatic Drones are. And you have the silly NERVE (HAHA) to cal ME the NPC?! :D

You are a drone! A programmed propaganda fed Drone! You are no under dog, you are no minority under siege by the big bad man.

Doom Dooom Doom! 2000 years people saying the world is going to come to an end tomorrow and it never happens because THERE ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT DONT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN and they work against it.

We all work against it.

Somday, sure. There are too many of us and the scales Will tip. But I dont think that is gonna happen in the next five years

So you go put on your Tin Foil hat and screech at the bright lights and scurry back under your rock where it's safe.

Don't forget your security blanket and your old copies of Art Bell cassette tapes.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't particularly recommend Fox either.

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well maybe you aren't all bad.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fuck off commie.

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There goes the alt-right with the Ad hominem insults when they run out of brain power.

I'm twice the patriot you are. Get bent! :D

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They have aligned interests when it comes to neoconservative foreign policy.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That won't continue.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You sure, because Trump is surrounded by neocons and Israel first Zionists.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm convinced that the alignment of interests between Republicans and Democrats will not continue. I anticipate 2020 to be the breakup.