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[–]bucetao6969 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who isn't a fucking enemy these days?

The Russell Brand media pile-on begins. Post links here to other articles and I'll update them in the message. by hfxB0oyA in MediaAnalysis

[–]DELINQUENTFELON 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Before eating during eating after eating?

Duh.

Gen Z can’t work alongside people with different views because they ‘haven’t got the skills to disagree’ says British broadcasting boss by hfxB0oyA in MediaAnalysis

[–]hfxB0oyA[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Funny that it's a Channel 4 staffer who's complaining about this.

The fall of Russell Brand is no victory for women by jet199 in MediaAnalysis

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

calling them a "child"

Tell me you didn't read the story without telling me you didn't read the story

"The Child" was Brand's pet name for the child he was raping

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/u/cunninglingus says

imbecile

The personal attack is unimpressive. Why are you defending a pharma shill?

I wouldn't be surprised if you are another sock puppet shill for /u/Bot_rly_sux

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[–]QuantumLegion 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

While I agree with most of what you said I have to point out:

16 yrs old is not a child

the age of consent in the UK....is 16 (you may not think its right for the age of consent to be under 18, but that's the law in their country)

calling them a "child" when they were of an age to consent is twisting facts to suit your world view and paint him as a potential pedo, which is false

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[–]loves2smootch 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, so many women are so easily corrupt. No wonder they are sought for representation in politics and as CEOs and treated like babies and given affirmitive action, cant achieve shit without being given stuff constantly. No brains or morals.

Ex-Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson claims Rudy Giuliani groped her on January 6 by Cancelthis in MediaAnalysis

[–]BobOki 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isn't it weird that we have another "pandemic" and talk of more lockdowns... for what is now the flu, and that is the consensus of the scientific community, right around election time? Isn't it weird how any person that is more conservative, or attacking both parties, are suddenly being called out for rape, right around election time, and all at the same time? Weird all that.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your thoughts on this are also some that I didn't want to hear. Go and have this debate with a woman you trust IRL and ask her

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey sorry in the UK "the government" or HMG refers to the PM and the cabinet. Some random MP wouldn't be referred to as "the government". So I am not tied in knots, thanks for your concern, there's absolutely no sense in which some random MP out of 600 would be referred to as "the government"

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[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said the left and the right were a party. There was a NEW sentence there, I know english is hard and all, but if you cannot comment on the content, don't waste our time attacking the grammar or person, that's just pathetic.

Ex-Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson claims Rudy Giuliani groped her on January 6 by Cancelthis in MediaAnalysis

[–]P-38lightning 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isn't it weird that she makes these allegations just a week before her book is released?

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[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any evidence of this? My social media...

That is surprising. Perhaps the echo chamber effect of social media groups and algorithms fail to offer better information. I am rarely on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, as I look to news aggregate sites like Saidit and Reddit to see what others think. Sometimes Twitter is hilarious, with the contrasting of Harry's recent UN speech against the 'Prince of Pegging's' activities.

Though attempts to improve women's rights date back to the 18th century, movements specifically called 'feminist' date back to 1913 and the popular movement that we see as part of the "Me Too" phase of faminism dates back to the early 1970s, regarding "equal rights", diversity hiring, birth control, abortion rights, equal pay, etc., etc. Much of this did not benefit me directly, or indeed occasionally worked against me and others (esp. hiring practices &c), but the overall intended and developed benefit has been about the empowerment of women.

Why do they do this? Because it's politically useful...

I've not seen anything like that, though will look for it.

Talking about empowerment is the same BS.

That's been the approach I've known my whole life, and that of most people I've known. But I have been very interested in alternative approaches, also when I read Camille Paglia's 'Sexual Personae', which makes excellent points about some of the empowered women in history (though without appropriately considering the broader social circumstances for women in general). She was wrong in general, but many of her arguments were very helpful as examples of ways in which many women have been empowered.

Do you really think the majority of Bangladeshi men are child abusers or enablers? That's a bit racist. Would you not then see that play out in the dysphoria? But you don't, it is other groups which are seen in the rape stats in the West.

I got the 9/10 figure from a friend recently, but cannot find a link for it. The friend was likely thinking of gender-based violence or reports in Bangladesh, showing that there is 88.2% of gender-based violence in Bangladesh. More info here. "Women and girls are the biggest victims of GBV. Girls, including children, faced 60% of sexual assaults in 2020-21 alone. When we aggregate women, girls, and children, they account for 88.2% of GBV cases. Men make up most of the perpetrators."

There are many factors to consider, including poverty, corruption, &c. Most middle-class users of social media will likely have a very limited understanding of these abuses, which in my view are unrelated to race. Corruption and poverty are the main problems, IMO.

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[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The cultural shift - gradually for the past 50 years - has obviously been toward empowering women to refuse to be victims and to report abuse if necessary

Any evidence of this? My social media is full of feminists telling women not to report their rapes as they won't get a conviction and (new take) many policemen are rapists themselves. This given that conviction rapes for rape are actually higher than those for other serious crimes.

Why do they do this? Because it's politically useful for them to pretend that women's rights are in a worse place than they are. If most of the battles are won who is going to fund feminist charities and think tanks.

Talking about empowerment is the same BS. Women have power as 50% of the population, they do not need external things or middle class worthies to empower them.

If you look at confidential surveys of adults in Bangladesh you will see around 4% of women saying they have been raped. If 9 out of 10 kids were being sexually abused we'd expect that to be higher. So with that stat you are actually proving the point of the article that the victimhood of certain groups is being hyped up for political purposes. Do you really think the majority of Bangladeshi men are child abusers or enablers? That's a bit racist. Would you not then see that play out in the dysphoria? But you don't, it is other groups which are seen in the rape stats in the West.

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[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The left and right aren't parties.

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[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no way a parliamentary committee made up of elected MPs is not the government.

The knots you have to tie yourself in to make this OK should tell you something.

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[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please engage your brain.

It's simply not possible to force your dick into someone's mouth. Your cock isn't rock hard no matter what your egirl tells you. There's simply no way the 2 of them got into that position without her allowing it.

Then after they got into that position she realised it wasn't great for her, she couldn't breath and likely panicked but she couldn't tell him either so she had to beat him off.

If you ask a women who has had sex she will likely tell you she has actually had that happen to her at some point while giving a BJ and didn't consider it rape.

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[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a woman.

I have no interest in victories for men.

Maybe don't speak over me when you have no idea what you are talking about and only want to use women when it's politically useful to you.

Rape victims deserve real justice, not to "have their say". Women aren't children who need to just scream and shout and get it out of their system. We need to have our rights to justice upheld and taken seriously not used for entertainment purposes or to attack men you don't like.

I'd like you to find any post or comment on here where I have idolised Brand.

You are projecting your own petty, harmful tribalism onto me. That's not how I or most other people think.

Indeed I do think and not just react and repeat, you should try it some time.

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[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you are proving the article right.

You are like those women phoning the investigation team to complain Brand didn't call them after they had sex as though that is evidence of a crime.

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[–]jet199[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or, if you read the text message where her main concern is lack of a condom, he stealthed her. She freaked out that he'd given her bad aids or herpes. She goes to the rape treatment centre for that and has to claim rape to access the tests for free because the American healthcare system is fucked.

Compared to the likelihood of an admitted sex creep, an admitted sex addict, committing rape

Again you are doing exactly what the article says, blurring the lines between a guy sleeping around and being a rapist.

Why would you do this if the evidence stood on it's own? It's highly illiberal. It's the sort of thing fundamentalist Christians do.

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, that's the article. Dozens of paragraphs about the accusations, in lurid detail, and then a few short prepared statements by Brand, Matt Morgan, and for some reason BAFTA. And John Noel Management refusing to provide a statement at all.

It very clearly tells one side of the story. Because of the way the legal system works, the other side is just not at liberty to tell theirs.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay show me where you saw

They aren't investigating it

Where did you see this

they aren't challenging it

Bruh

Click here

https://archive.ph/mP8ff

Ctrl + F

"When contacted by The Times and Sunday Times"

And scroll down from there

Paragraph after paragraph of researched claims and documented examples

Paragraph upon paragraph of people reached for comment and asked for their side of the story

And you wrote

they aren't getting other sides of the story.

See this is just telling me that you didn't even read it. And you're building a fake reality off of what you imagine its contents to be. Along with fake imaginary scenarios based on something that happened to your wife. You're totally nuts, and not at all credible

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh okay so you're saying, that because you have eyes to see, you saw this somewhere in the article. In that case, please point it out, because I absolutely accuse you of literally pulling it all out of your ass to avoid acknowledging that the creepy sex pervert is also a rapist.

It's the whole article. There's no single passage to "point out." The Times interviews four anonymous women in great depth, and Brand gives a short statement that his relationships have always been consensual.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh okay so you're saying, that because you have eyes to see, you saw this somewhere in the article. In that case, please point it out, because I absolutely accuse you of literally pulling it all out of your ass to avoid acknowledging that the creepy sex pervert is also a rapist.

They aren't investigating it, they aren't challenging it, they aren't getting other sides of the story. They're just taking down what somebody says, dressing it up to make it more entertaining to read on the toilet, and publishing it.

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's, literally, in the article. They interviewed women in depth about their grievances, reported on those grievances, and Russell Brand provided a brief statement, obviously written by his counsel, that appeared at the end of the article.

If you have eyes, you can see it. For yourself.

But apparently you don't have eyes. Just ideology.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay so it's, literally, all coming from your imagination.

But you weigh it more credibly than the actual evidence.

An imaginary series of events is overriding the actual reported reality

And because your wife had some bullshit happen, therefore, his multiple rape victims were not raped and it's just the Illuminati trying to shut down a YouTube rabble rouser

Literally none of the pieces fit together. It's mad libs. And your brain is insisting on such a mad series of words to escape having to condemn a pervert sex creep and rapist. I mean jeez man look at any of his public appearances during the period. He doesn't, or at the time didn't, respect womens' personal space, in public, over and over. He's an admitted sex addict. It's the times not the daily express. The preponderance of evidence is all aligned. The victims have paperwork and text messages. It's "Dispatches", who take down crooked NHS trust chiefs and groping MPs, this is not some small time blogger operation. They know how to source and validate someone's version of events.

You don't need to invent some wacky series of phone calls and multiple conversations that may or may not resemble a nightmare your wife went through, to make sense of this

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was this whole series of events, which led you to conclude, that you didn't trust the reporting in this case.

Maybe that's where you misunderstand me. I'm not just talking about this case. I'm talking about all the cases.

For example, a few years ago, my wife was told to fire six people. She agonized over it, but she chose the weakest six employees and fired them. Well, one of them went straight to the media and told them she was engaged in union-busting.

It was a totally bullshit claim (this employee was their absolute least productive one and they had that well-documented), but my wife's company's lawyer just wrote a short statement that said "Our institution supports organized labor and does not condone union-busting." And that's all she was allowed to say.

So, the paper wrote a two-page story about how she was a union-buster, with the generic statement at the end.

That's how the media works. That's how it always works. I've seen it firsthand.

I'm sorry you just have absolutely no idea how the world works. And I'm sorry that you just blindly believe anything newspapers write, and refuse to believe anything that isn't written in a newspaper.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look it's very simple

You just have to use critical thinking

That's what you said when you were relaying a story narrative of events.

You imagined conversations between the journalists and sources for this story

You imagined a conversation between the journalists and brand

You imagined a conversation between brand and his lawyer

There was this whole series of events, which led you to conclude, that you didn't trust the reporting in this case.

Now I'm just asking you for your evidence that any of those events happened. Because I think you imagined it all and you're using it to inform your world view. So what's your evidence for any of that taking place here

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[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

imbecile

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a man? I never would have guessed.

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you out of your mind? You want me to share the evidence that people regularly contact the media with a story, and that the subject of that story rarely responds with more than a short prepared statement?

What form would that evidence even take?

Is it just your view that if something is written in papers like The Times, it's "evidence" and therefore true, and if something is not the kind of thing written in papers like The Times, then you're free to deny it?

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[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't engage with Site_rly_sux - his whole purpose is just to waste people's time with a gish gallop. He always says shit that's obviously stupid but tries to act like he's interested in conversation. He's just a shill trying to waste your time.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

is most certainly not the result of my imagination

Excellent; in that case please share the evidence

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is most certainly not the result of my imagination. It's simple, obvious observation, on par with saying that plays often have three acts or TV sitcoms often write dad characters as bumbling and silly.

If you don't realize that stories often start with someone calling the paper and saying "I have a story to tell," then you truly have no idea how the journalism industry works.

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm close to certain that you're another socks' puppet.

Probably a pharma bot.

/u/Bot_rly_sux

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[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That response doesn't make any sense

Okay sure let me clarify

Starting from the word "First" which is three lines down.

Everything from then on, is the result of your imagination, with absolutely zero evidence

https://saidit.net/s/MediaAnalysis/comments/bil3/the_fall_of_russell_brand_is_no_victory_for_women/14291

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That response doesn't make any sense. Of course I have evidence that The Times took down the stories of some women and didn't get anything from Russell other than a short statement. All you have to do is read the story to see that that's the case.

Pretty much every newspaper does exactly what I describe. They talk to the person with a grievance, and the other side either won't give a statement, gives a short statement but won't tell their side of the story, or "could not immediately be reached for comment."

Anyone who reads newspapers should immediately pick up on that. It's not like it's a secret. It's right in the stories.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a whole lot of story for which you have zero evidence.

I have more than zero evidence.

Yours is coming from your imagination.

Mine is coming from a source with a track records and a corrections department and a postal address....

Weighing the credibility, between your paranoid imagination, and the centuries of The Times doing basically zero of what you described, ....not looking good chief

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You just have to use critical thinking. If the paper says "Wednesday," it's almost certainly right. They keep track of that.

But here's how journalism to often works:

First, someone has a problem with someone. So they go to the newspaper and they say "This entity is evil! Listen to my tale of woe!"

So the journalist takes down the tale of woe.

And sometimes - they just publish it. You get exactly one side of the story.

But sometimes they reach out to the other side. And the other side always does the same thing. Instead of telling their story, they either say "no comment" or release a short statement saying "I categorically deny the allegations."

Why? Because the person telling the story has just signalled to them that legal proceedings, whether criminal or civil, may be about to begin. And their lawyer is telling them: "Short statement or no comment. Literally anything else you say could hurt you in court."

So, no, reporters aren't just "making up rape stories." What they're doing, is just telling someone's story. They aren't investigating it, they aren't challenging it, they aren't getting other sides of the story. They're just taking down what somebody says, dressing it up to make it more entertaining to read on the toilet, and publishing it.

And so they get stuff wrong all the time. Like, just the first of about a hundred examples off the top of my head: do you remember when an irate mother went to the press and said "My son watched Beavis and Butthead and then imitated Beavis and burned down the trailer with my daughter inside"?

Well, it's not like the journalists were inclined to challenge her in any way, so that lie just stood for the next fifteen years or so until the kid grew up and said "Yeah, my mom is a crazy person, I'd never seen Beavis and Butthead once in my life, and what actually happened is a candle fell over."

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're simply incorrect about the terminology but putting that aside.

It's not really the case that anyone here is uncritically believing everything they read.

If I look at the newspaper front page. And it says "Wednesday" and I don't actively question the day of the week....am I uncritically just believing the paper? If it says that today is rainy and my shoes are wet - if I'm not actively challenging the newspaper in my mind, is it fair to say I'm just uncritically believing what I read?

We live in a world where reporters who make up stories, who make up rape stories about public figures, have consequences. You can bet on those consequences. If there's a reporter who routinely lies, you can hang your hat on there being consequences for those lies, like a lawsuit or whatever.

I believe when I read "Wednesday" and I believe the weather because of a preponderance of data points that are in alignment. Likewise when the times and dispatches put on this kind of piece, you can bet that, if they're making something up, there will be consequences for them.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why would I do searches to validate the things you suggest? If you suggest there's a spaghetti monster in orbit of mars am I supposed to go out and try to prove or disprove it?

Anyway, because you linked to social media instead of a proper source, I did go ahead and do that googling, and I found this too

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/378/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/197530/culture-media-and-sport-committee-chair-writes-to-broadcasters-and-tiktok-over-russell-brand-allegations-and-investigations/

I totally agree with you, assuming that is a true copy of the letter to rumble which you linked to.

The UK government would be totally overstepping their bounds, by sending this - honestly creepy and horrible - letter to rumble.

In this case, it's a committee of MPs, so not the actual government, but a group of representatives who meet to consider advice to the government about culture media and sports

You can see more about them here

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/378/culture-media-and-sport-committee/

It's not the government but a group of reps who meet and put together advice. So, sure, close enough.

It's a horrible letter and a fantastic response from rumble for their PR.

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any evidence ? Besides the contents of your rectum?

Sure, here you go.

You probably should have done a quick Google search before all the "rectum" stuff. Now you just look like a dipshit.

https://twitter.com/rumblevideo/status/1704584927834960196

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If I read a line in the newspaper that says "as Jon put down his coffee he turned to me and said 'i saw Ron climb the fence'" then I would have first hand testimony

No. You absolutely would not. You would have secondhand testimony.

If Jon told you what he saw, that's firsthand testimony.

If someone told you what Jon told them he saw, that's secondhand testimony. Whether that someone is a reporter or not.

Reporters want you to believe they're dogged and careful pursuers of truth - that if they say it, you can be assured that it's the truth and the complete truth and nothing but - but that just isn't how the industry works. Reporters are on insane deadlines. They make mistakes. They have biases. They fuck up, frankly, all the time. And sometimes they're all too happy to fuck up; a fuckup that brings in a million clicks is better for the paper than a true story that brings in a hundred.

Here, we have both first and second hand testimony

No, you have secondhand and thirdhand testimony. You don't even have "a second woman's" name. You don't know who this person is. All you have is a story, told by an overworked journalist with all kinds of personal biases and professional demands, that is literally being written for profit.

And you're just like "Oh, a story, told to me by a professional writer. Well, that's the same as firsthand testimony."

Like I said: you gotta stop just uncritically believing everything you read.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh so why did you say it then

Were you just talking out your ass

apparently sent out letters

Any evidence ? Besides the contents of your rectum?

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude I don't think, anyone at saidit who has read my posts before, is thinking "wow this guy just believes things without good evidence"

Feel free to point to something I believed without good evidence. I would welcome you to do that. I have pretty good evidence that Brand is a rapey sex creep.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Joe told me he saw Ron climbing the fence

That's not hearsay; Jon literally saw it with his own eyes.

If you said "Jon told me that Ron said Ron had climbed the fence" then it's hearsay because Jon is repeating what he heard.

You're wrong. If Jon says "I saw Ron climbing", then that's evidence that Ron done did it.

If Jon is talking to a reporter who writes up the story, "on a sunny morning in May I met with Jon, who told me over coffee about when he saw Ron climb the fence"....and I am sat at home, reading the story in the paper....then I have evidence and I have first hand testimony, that Ron climbed the fence

Edit, sorry, no I dont

I would have second hand testimony in that case

If I read a line in the newspaper that says "as Jon put down his coffee he turned to me and said 'i saw Ron climb the fence'" then I would have first hand testimony

But the version presented above would be second hand, unless the journalist takes care to preserve the exact wording.

So I guess I also have second hand testimony in this case, not only first, sorry

A second woman alleges that Brand assaulted her when he was 31 and she was 16 and still at school. She said he referred to her as “the child” during an emotionally abusive and controlling relationship that lasted for about three months, and that Brand once “forced his penis down her throat”, making her choke. She says she tried to push him off and said she had to punch him in the stomach to make him stop.

Here, we have both first and second hand testimony

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, sorry, you're just not right. "Firsthand testimony" means the witness appears on the stand, and delivers testimony under both direct examination and cross-examination.

If I tell you that Joe told me he saw Ron climbing the fence, you do not have Joe's firsthand testimiony. You have hearsay. It doesn't matter how "vernacular" you want to be; all you have is hearsay and it isn't admissible in any court of law.

And what you have read in the Brand case is secondhand and thirdhand hearsay, reported by a party according to its own self-interest. You have a third party selectively telling you the juiciest parts of what some women said, with no possibility of any kind of further cross-examination.

That is not evidence. You have not seen a single shred, read a single word, of evidence in this case. Do not delude yourself otherwise. And stop uncritically believing everything you read.

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/u/Site_rly_sux will believe every woman, except for the women who expose the vaccine crimes, etc.

/u/Site_rly_sux is a pharma shill, and Brand is attacking the pharma global coup.

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All of this changed in 2017. The #MeToo movement took off when high-profile allegations of sexual assault were made against film producer Harvey Weinstein.

Recall that the "Me too" movement was manufactured to suppress a movie exposing the Hollywood pedophile culture.

Weinstein was red meat.

An adult hetero sacrifice.

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We'll see if criminal charges follow. Even now, the British government has apparently sent out letters to media companies asking them to deplatform him.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who told you the government were involved

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think it would be appropriate for me to ridicule you so I'll just politely say, sir, "firsthand testimony" is a legal and common vernacular phrase to refer to the testimony provided by a witness who was directly involved.

Just for example, if you watch a person on the TV news say "I was walking down the road last week and I saw a huge car crash" - you're getting first hand testimony of what happened. Even though you're experiencing it through TV or whatever. Because that's what 'first hand testimony' means.

When someone provides first hand testimony of events, that's evidence that the events happened.

We can weigh the evidence, assess it's credibility and whatnot, but it's absolutely true to say that we have firsthand testimony that Brand raped someone, and that testimony counts as evidence.

So, when you wrote this

You have literally no evidence

You were totally wrong, because first hand testimony is evidence. Even if you want to weigh or discount the evidence.

Were there any other terms or phrases I used that confused you, or that you want to ask about

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Like a wolf closing in on its prey... I feel his frozen fingers trail up my thigh. He tilts his chin up. The whites of his eyes look jaundiced. My eyes dart to John Eastman, who flashes a leering grin. I fight against the tension in my muscles and recoil."

Lady, an old drunk man touched you over your clothes. An alien didn't deposit its eggs under your skin. Christ.

The language these kinds of professional victims use... it's so fucking purple. Even Scott Fitzgerald would find this shit eye-rollingly over the top.

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Your vagina is still sore I see.

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Wow.

Sounds like he about to be de - platformed by Google.

Darn.

Maybe he can move all his Patrons over to Saidit. As long as he can prove he is a real boy.

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm actually not sure you speak English, since you think "I read a story on the Internet" is the same as "I heard it firsthand."

You might want to look up the word "firsthand."

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[–]Hematomato 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think forcing your dick into someone's mouth such that they have to get violent in order to get you off them - to me, that's a rape. Also anything he did with a 16 year old is rape where I live, fortunately for brand apparently not where he lives.

And I think that if someone tries to give their girlfriend a rough blowjob, thinking she'll be into it, and she's not feeling it so she smacks him on the stomach and he stops, that's, well, not something I need the government to get involved in.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is English your first language?

I can go gentler on you, if not

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh. But I thought you said, that you thought he had been found guilty and was now having to prove his innocence.

Indeed. Based on just a claim, he's been found guilty in the court of public opinion, people like you are demanding that he never work again, and the networks are immediately complying. No trial, no evidence, just an abrupt end of a man's career based on an accusation.

First hand testimony is classed as evidence in every fucking human jurisdiction on earth you dipshit

Oh, "first-hand testimony"? So you've spoken with these women? You've asked them questions? I had no idea you were so deeply involved in the case.

Or do you mean to tell me that you're confusing first-hand testimony with media hearsay?

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, he's not locked behind bars

Oh. But I thought you said, that you thought he had been found guilty and was now having to prove his innocence. It must be confusing for you to hold two contrasting views at once.

You have literally no evidence

First hand testimony is classed as evidence in every fucking human jurisdiction on earth you dipshit

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have pretty good evidence.

You have literally no evidence. You have claims. Claims are not evidence.

You'll notice that he isnt in jail right now

No, he's not locked behind bars. But based on decades-old claims alone, he's been banned from most social media, pulled from YouTube, pulled from network TV - his career has just abruptly ended.

And it's entirely possible he didn't even do anything wrong. But that's what we do. If someone makes a claim against a man, we destroy that man. It doesn't matter whether the claim has even the tiniest bit of merit or not.

People lie. People lie a lot. Especially when there's money involved. And there's money involved here.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just like you don't have any proof that Russell Brand has ever raped anybody.

I have pretty good evidence.

guilty until proven innocent."

Lol

Am I jailing him? Did you think that perhaps u/site_sux works for his majesty's prisons service?

Well I don't work for them, so for me, the level of evidence is enough to believe his victims.

You'll notice that he isnt in jail right now, which must be strange and confusing for you, because apparently you believed that he is determined criminally guilty and has to now prove his innocence. It must be quite confusing for you to learn that criminal justice still works how you remember it used to, and we didn't make the switch to guilty-until-proven-innocent

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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, of course I don't have any proof of this. Just like you don't have any proof that Russell Brand has ever raped anybody.

That's because we're not jurors in the case and we haven't had days of evidence presented to us, to carefully weigh. All we have is a few stories written by a sensationalist for-profit media that's trying to generate rageclicks.

Yet, to you, simple accusations become "the facts" and you sincertely believe he's guilty just because someone said he was guilty.

That's really awful. It's completely unjust. And it's what fourth-wave feminism has done to us: it's insisted we adopt the mindset of "guilty until proven innocent."

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[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But let's get real. The left has NEVER looked past today, and the right only looks to their wallets. Why does ANYONE still give two shits about these parties again?

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://archive.ph/mP8ff

Look if you can read the first few paragraphs and conclude that he only raped one person, then perhaps you should sit down with a wife, sister, mother or trusted female, if you have any, and ask them whether they agree.

I think forcing your dick into someone's mouth such that they have to get violent in order to get you off them - to me, that's a rape. Also anything he did with a 16 year old is rape where I live, fortunately for brand apparently not where he lives.

I don't really care that you dont believe he's a multiple rapist. It's a nuance and I really don't want to hear you argue it. Find a trusted woman and ask her whether or not that counts as rape, I really do not want to hear your thoughts on it

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's absolutely possible

Okay but you haven't seen any proof of this

just sat on it for eleven years,

Or that

were offering her healthy sums

Or that

Why are you layering so much of your imagination over a well reported story? Are you so unable to deal with the facts, that you're having to imagine new bells and whistles for this story

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[–]stickdog 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I count exactly one woman who has anonymously accused Brand of rape. Who are the other supposed rape victims?

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[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Solely on the facts that his rape victims said he raped them, plus his long history of shitty, addict and creep behavior

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you really contending the no woman has ever gone to a rape treatment center for any sexual encounter that could fall short of rape

What evidence have you seen that supports the conjecture that this is happening here? Nothing

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[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you really contending the no woman has ever gone to a rape treatment center for any sexual encounter that could fall short of rape?

Assuming the sensationalized media reports are true, this may have been rape or it may have been a woman who was legitimately angered by Brand ejaculating inside of her without wearing a condom. While that makes him a jerk, it does not make him a rapist.

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[–]cunninglingus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Take a step back from the Russell Brand scandal and you see that a clear cultural shift has taken place – not towards treating victims with respect, as is so often claimed, but towards treating all women as victims.

I think she has this backwards. The cultural shift - gradually for the past 50 years - has obviously been toward empowering women to refuse to be victims and to report abuse if necessary. Channel 4 isn't the problem, nor is the zeitgeist ("cultural zeitgeist" is dumb), nor are women, nor is a 'victory' over Brand. The problem is any effort to shut down this trend in the empowerment of women. I don't know if Brand is guilty of anything illegal, but I think the concerns of these women who say they were raped are important, even on a global scale.

Though I am not a fan of extreme examples, here's one: In Bangladesh 9/10 children are being sexually abused. In almost all of those cases, the parents or victims will not contact the police, or will not see any legal consequences for the abusers. There is a cultural assumption that the abused child or their siblings would not be able to marry (if a girl; boys are also abused). Improved empowerment of women's and children's rights would significantly improve the lives of millions - or billions - of people.

Thanks for the link, which I would not have seen in the news.

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[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You seem to have a lot of problems here and zero of them are related to the fact that you have tried and convicted an individual based solely on a corporate media hit job.

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[–]Hematomato 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"For fun"? No, of course not.

"For leverage"? That's absolutely possible.

Most women aren't so manipulative that they'll go pick up some rape paperwork just for leverage - "now you can't leave me," "give me money," "do what I say or I'll destroy you," etc.

But most women Russell Brand dated - which by all accounts is hundreds - didn't do that. Just one.

Yeah, it's a little suspicious. It's a little suspicious that "Nadia" went and got this paperwork, just sat on it for eleven years, and then brought it out at exactly the moment that media outlets were offering her healthy sums of money for her story.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Uh huh so she went to a rape treatment center for fun, got treated for no reason, kept the paperwork as a memento of the fun day she had getting spatula'd and swabbed and splayed.

Sounds unlikely to be honest.

Nobody acting in good faith, thinks that women get rape treatment just for fun.

Edit

No wait sorry

You're saying it's more likely that a random woman went to a rape treatment for no reason

Compared to the likelihood of an admitted sex creep, an admitted sex addict, committing rape

You're saying the first is more likely than the second

That tells me you're completely off your rocker. You fucking lunatic. Look at the lengths you're dragging yourself to, just to avoid acknowledging that the admitted sex addict is probably also a rapist too

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[–]Hematomato 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One of his rape victims had medical paperwork for the rape treatment center, from the morning after he raped her.

You know how you get paperwork from a rape treatment center? You go to a rape treatment center. They give you paperwork. It doesn't prove anything.

All of these are accusations of partner rapes. These are women who had a bunch of sex with Brand that they enjoyed, and then one instance of sex that they didn't enjoy, and now, years later, they're finally making a thing out of it. Possibly because people are coming to them asking if they'd like to be paid some money for being in a documentary.

Partner rape does exist, but the bar is set differently. Anyone with common sense should know that. Like, if a woman walks into a bar and grabs a stranger's dick, that's definitely a sex crime. If a woman walks into her house and grabs her husband's dick, that's probably not a crime at all.

So, yeah. Allegedly. I'd have to hear all the facts, and really only the jury gets to do that.

But in the minds of fourth-wave feminists, an allegation and a conviction are the same exact thing. They think all you should have to do to ruin a man's life is say the word "rape."

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[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because women

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

complaining about clearly non-criminal conduct and consensual sex with Brand that they regretted late

One of his rape victims had medical paperwork for the rape treatment center, from the morning after he raped her.

right alongside

Sounds like you have a problem with the editors, then.

You seem to have a lot of problems here and zero of them are related to the fact that a dude in showbiz used his stature to rape women, including a 16 year old child

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[–]Hematomato 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay so let's say a dude rapes a woman today (like brand did)

Allegedly.

Is there any way she can get justice without invoking victim feminism or her "weak emotions"

Sure, she can take the alleged rapist to court and have him tried by a jury of his peers.

But if she instead appears in a documentary, making unchallenged claims right alongside women complaining about clearly non-criminal conduct and consensual sex with Brand that they regretted later, then this is no longer about justice. It's about fetishizing your own victimhood. It's about using weakness as a weapon. It's about crybullying.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay so let's say a dude rapes a woman today (like brand did)

Now the woman wants justice.

Is there any way she can get justice without invoking victim feminism or her "weak emotions"

It's kind of a stupid claim for you to make really. They're just rape victims being candid about what happened to them. Projections based on your fragile masculinity are entirely happening in your head. Feel free to show evidence how this is linked to your imagination of 'fourth wave' or organised feminism or whatever - because I think that's just happening in your head

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[–]Hematomato 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fourth-wave feminism didn't invent the idea that rape is wrong. That's been the consensus for, well, the entirety of human history.

Rather, fourth-wave feminism is about the idea that lots of things are sort of "adjacent" to rape and women are not emotionally strong enough to handle them.

For example, in the '90s, if a man put his hand on a woman's thigh in a bar, that was called a "come-on." Third-wave feminism believed that the woman was then empowered to decide whether to go home with him, throw a drink in his face, do whatever she liked. It was her choice, and she could say yes or no, just like a man could.

Fourth-wave feminism believes that is called "sexual assault," and the woman should name and shame the man, get him banned from the premises, and disgrace him in public, for the sake of other emotionally weak women.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is saying "that man raped me" called 'victim feminism'

Is there a way to say 'i was attacked by that man' without playing a victim card?

Let's say your sister tells you she has been raped. Can you think through how you'd advise her on next steps to take without turning her into a victim feminist?

It's a pretty dumb take when you think about it

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[–]Hematomato 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But let’s get real. Going from Girl Power to victim feminism in the space of two decades is no great leap forward for women.

It's nice to finally see a woman brave enough to type that out in public.

Third-wave feminism was based on the idea that women are just as strong and capable and resilient as men. Fourth-wave feminism is based on the idea that women are weak and need protection from men.

How can you take two things that are the opposites of each other and call them both "feminism"?

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We need to ask whether this cultural shift has been in the best interests of women.

Nobody cares about your "victory" or your fake culture war bullshit.

This is about multiple rape victims having their say.

Nobody is trying to get "victory" over you dipshit culture mongs. This is just about some people saying 'he raped me".

Hey jet199 maybe idolising another YouTube conspiritard rapist is NOT A VICTORY FOR MEN.

Did you think about that

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His abuse had multiple victims.

The person who showed The Times her rape treatment paperwork, was not the person who he called The Child.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't know about the rape treatment

You would have known about it, had you read the link we are commenting under

I mean by objective moral standards. I'm not a moral relativist, and so modern morality that doesn't correlate with most of human history means nothing to me. Law is not morality. But apparently to you it is.

You're arguing the wrong side. You're supposed to argue the other way dipshit. You're saying "law is NOT morality" but you should have said the opposite: "law IS morality, so if what he did was legal in UK then it wasn't immoral"

That's what you should have said, but instead you argued the opposite, whoops.

So let's say, a person, John, travels to country A, where they don't have a law against murder.

And John kills someone while in country A, because it wasn't illegal, so he had no police troubles.

Now John returns to country B, where murder is illegal.

Is John immoral? Is John a murderer according to morality, even though not under the law.

You said "law is not morality", meaning the moral code is separate from the law - so you're saying, yes John is morally wrong, he's morally a killer even though the law of country A says different.

If the law IS morality, then John is not immoral, because he followed the law

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[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was a different woman who went to get treatment.

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[–]x0x7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mean by objective moral standards. I'm not a moral relativist, and so modern morality that doesn't correlate with most of human history means nothing to me. Law is not morality. But apparently to you it is. And therefore there still is nothing to it because like you said it's not illegal in the UK.

I didn't know about the rape treatment. Weird though if there was record of that that no one cared about it for so long until he became a thorn.

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[–]EDDIESPAGHETTI 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

i asked chatgpt what is the age of consent in the UK.

chatgpt:

in the united kingdom, the age of consent for sexual relations is 16 years old. it is important to note that there are specific laws regarding sexual activity with individuals under 16, depending on the circumstances.

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[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah you're wrong. Testimony from a victim is evidence. Medical paperwork showing her getting rape treatment the morning after being raped is evidence

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[–]KyleIsThisTall 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

With no proof it is a baseless accusation, and an accusation from a female is worth less than a lie.

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[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The reason he isn't a child rapist is due to the laws around age of consent in the UK. Had he carried out the exact same acts elsewhere, and the only difference was location, then he'd officially be a child rapist

That's certainly less than 15 miles.

Also, one of his victims has medical paperwork showing that she received rape treatment the morning after he raped her.

Feels a hell of a lot less than 15 miles

His proximity to you or I is 0.2mm

You, maybe, dipshit. I have far less in common with that moronic, conspiritard rapist

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you touch you dick with your unwashed hand after eating?

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[–]DELINQUENTFELON 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No that's not really what happened I swear to God this girl and she was a sparkly cute as you could imagine she would suck my cum and I swear to God she told me she said have you been eating pineapple and I said yeah I had Hawaiian pizza she said I knew it

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[–]x0x7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

For 99.99% of human history no person would think anything of that. It's a weird society that lumps people that would be considered normal by humanity's standard for the majority of time, with people who violently rape little children. His proximity to you or I is 0.2mm, and his proximity to an actual child rapist is 15 miles. But our society has calculated to treat such as being 0.2mm proximity to violent child rapists, and 15 miles from ourselves. It's completely backwards in a way that could only be entertained by a mind ruled by absolute psychosis. If you want to see what mass formation psychosis really looks like for a handful of decades at a time, there it is.

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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As if evidence can't be planted over decades in order to control someone who is famous, and therfore dangerous.

If a girl went to a rape center 20 years ago why was there not a criminal indictment 20 years ago?

If you don't have a problem with how absurd that story is you have to be a shill.

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She had lunch with you, bumbass

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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Have you ever watched anything he has produced? He is as radical left as it got 20 years ago. He pushes every retarded hippie talking point. He overlooks facts and history to claim marxist ideas are good, and if we all came together it would all work and create a utopia. He regularly argues emotions over facts.

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[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's because she kept seeing him and having sex with him afterwards and saw nothing wrong with it at the time. As she says in the article.

This is hardly an uncommon move for men to make and having sex with a 16 year old is not illegal in the UK.

I think certainly he's committed some sexual assaults but many of the more serious claims are based around insinuation and shock value.

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[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for pointing this out, because now I know for certain it's fake.