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[–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 27 insightful - 7 fun27 insightful - 6 fun28 insightful - 7 fun -  (49 children)

I'll go ahead and take this wonderful opportunity provided by saidit to mention a few conspiracy theories that I believe to be true

My 1st and favorite is hidden human history. If we're supposedly evolved over millions and billions of years why is it wrong to think there were advanced societies a million years ago? I think it makes sense. and archaeological evidence is starting to come to light (big thanks to the internet! and free flowing information!) Two great youtube channels on this topic are Mystery History and vlad9tv

which brings me to #2 conspiracy theory. control of the narrative. I was thinking on my morning walk today how it is fine to be passionate about your favorite sportsball team or flavor of alcoholic poison - but don't get too excited about fixing serious problems with the structure of the modern mess we're in. pop culture does a good job of keeping millions of minds on the same page. (go blue team! lol)

also, #3 secret government programs. there is so much missing money. so many secrets. so much shady shit going on. testing. of all kinds. I'm sure there are some human-animal hybrids and other horrible wretched genetic experimental shit

The moon. #4 I believe in the moon. I think it's real and I think we landed on it. But there is a lot of weird shit. "they're parked on the far side of the crater, they're watching us" ... what?! Also, where the fuck did the moon come from! How is it exactly in the right spot so that an eclipse covers it perfectly. weird!

Anyway, I could probably go on... peace y'all!

[–]send_nasty_stuff 11 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

You left out jq, holohoax, 911, patton/mckinley/JFK, falseflags, etc.

[–]hypernormalize 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This but unironically.

[–]JasonCarswell 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

-#2 conspiracy theory. control of the narrative. I was thinking on my morning walk today how it is fine to be passionate about your favorite sportsball team or flavor of alcoholic poison - but don't get too excited about fixing serious problems with the structure of the modern mess we're in. pop culture does a good job of keeping millions of minds on the same page.

YES!

You are allowed to believe anything you want, but you are NOT permitted know anything with certainty.

also, #3 = plausible deniability (also Antarctica)

and, #4 - A coincidence, but one of many in our Universe. The moon used to be closer and it's not a perfect fit, though close. There is a pole star, presently.

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you have been permanently banned from Reddit. under rule X

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Good to know I guess.

Where many if not most folks on SaidIt came from Reddit, I did not, and I don't care about it.

[–]wizzwizz4 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

That moon-sun apparent size thing is weird; astronomers haven't discovered another planet with moons like it. (Then again, that isn't too surprising – planets are hard enough to find without finding moons too – but it slightly reinforces how bizarre this whole thing is.)

I chalk it down to coincidence, but that's just 'cause I'm boring, and can't think of any more plausible hypotheses. But it's one of the things to watch; it's entirely possible that we discover something in the future that raises a hypothesis to be more probable than Occam's Razor suggests for the "coincidence" hypothesis.


Hidden history? Well, I'd probably make a bet with odds of 5:1 or above: I think there's about ⅙ of a chance of some isolated civilisation, of a similar advancement to our last century's civilisation in some respect (probably philosophy or maths or literature or something else theoretical), having existed. But that chance is only dropping with time, as we get more advanced and so raise the bar (90 years ago we were more "advanced" than 100 years ago, etc.), and time goes on and we leave fewer places to be searched.

I doubt very much that there's a conspiracy to hide some big globe-spanning advanced technological civilisation of the past from us, because one existing in the first place and then having disappeared without wiping out all humans is unlikely (although, Toba catastrophe theory makes this one around 5%, or 1 in 20), let alone while leaving sufficiently small amounts of a trace for its existence to not already be known to us (a hypothetical technological society accidentally self-destructing – or even deliberately, if it was anything like ours – would leave traces everywhere; even if all humans deliberately deconstructed our places of work, followed by our infrastructure, followed by our own homes, followed by suicide, we would still leave loads of traces like plastics and having used up the fossil fuels and circuit boards and stuff); assuming that the entire civilisation was green and eco-friendly and produced almost entirely bio-degradable stuff to the extent that there's almost no evidence of their existence… Given that it's humans running the scene, and that I've only got experience from the one civilisation I know about to go by, I'd generously rate it about 0.1% likely that a hypothetical civilisation would take this route (one in a thousand hypothetical civilisations would do this, I reckon). And then there would have to be evidence found by a select group of people, which, given how hard it is to find such evidence buuutttt the near-certainty that some artefacts would still exist but that we've hardly got anyone looking… 4% (1 in 25). And then that they stayed reasonably quiet about that discovery (an optimistic 5%, but only because it's conceivable that the sort of livelihood / hobby that would permit this discovery selects for people that would not write in to tabloids) but they published it somewhere (in a small scientific paper, on an obscure forum somewhere if the discovery was recent, etc.; 95%, I reckon), that conspirators (their existence a very generous 40%, because if they existed I wouldn't know) who cared about this issue (90%, because I can see why some hypothetical conspiracies wouldn't want the political instability but I can see why many conspiracies just wouldn't care at all, but I'm taking into account that there might be multiple conspiracies) would find it (given that it has to be obscure, but that the conspiracy would be monitoring known sources, but that this wouldn't be the only thing they cared about and they'd be assigning it a reasonably remote possibility because it's pretty unlikely on the face of it, but I'm giving them an insanity bonus and assuming multiple conspiracies, 10% chance of finding this… actually, scratch that; I'll give them 40% chance, because there can't be that many sources to trawl through, unless this discovery was reported in the Internet age in which case they could write a program to search for them), shut it down (this is conspiracies we're talking about; who knows how much power / influence / convincing ability they have? 80% chance of success), set up a worldwide network to monitor for new discoveries (95% chance, because we've already assumed they've got sufficient resources) and shut them down (90% success chance for shutting all of these down, because they're clearly putting more resources into this and catching it earlier).

Multiplying all of these made-up-but-reasonable-sounding probabilities together to find the total estimated chance of this scenario occurring? 5% × 0.1% × 4% × 5% × 95% × 40% × 90% × 40% × 80% × 95% × 90% = 0.0000009357%. Even assuming that I've overlooked a thousand possible ways that this could happen, this is not even worth considering the possibility of given the evidence – unless you know something you're not telling me.

[–]HeyImSancho 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Youtube has some great hidden history movies; especially on the intricate cut, and placed stone existing all around the world; our very best tech I don't think can duplicate that work as of yet. The stones are closely fit, and are often times of enormous weight.

On the flipside of 'mainstream', are people like Michael Cremo, "The forbidden Archaeologist", his entire practice is giving counter arguments to carbon dating. He covers the things that don't fit the archaeological, and geological 'approved narratives'. Another aspect of his studies, and lectures, cover other scientists such as himself; who stepped outside of the officially prescribed narrative; who also have become pariahs to the establishment.

In museums, and universities, there's a lot of stuff, they just don't put on display because it doesn't fit.

On that note, there's plenty of concern that at any magnetic pole shift, we may actually lose memory. Even with our memory, we're not that advanced individually. Most of society cannot tie their own 'proverbial shoelaces'; let alone survive should any sort of EMP, Magnetic reversal, or especially solar flare come along.

Last but not least is when you look at how we build, not much will be around in a thousand years(concrete starts deteriorating after about a 100 years), but those old stone ruins from bygone eras more than likely will still be around. That's saying something right there.

[–]wizzwizz4 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh, I forgot about architecture as a category! Never mind; I've upped my "6:1" to "I already know about some". Yeah, it's truly amazing.

I don't think the magnetic pole shift will hurt our civilisation much, but we'll see!

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The magnetic poles have shifted and even reversed dozens of times.

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And we are surely "close" to another reversal. When? Ha, we'll be the last to know, and get fried by the cosmic rays. I think maybe the Balkan pyramids were made to shelter people during such reversals, but I forget where I got that idea.

[–]wendolynne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Every so often a religion or a nation will come along that feels obligated to destroy the works of previous civilizations. A recent example: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1326063/After-1700-years-Buddhas-fall-to-Taliban-dynamite.html It's not hard to imagine the Christians of yore destroying any evidence which contradicted their assertion that the earth was created 6000 years ago. they certainly destroyed the histories and science maintained by pagan people of Northern Europe (i.e. the witch burnings) and the Inca in South America. It's not hard to imagine that something similar might have happened over and over in the past 200,000 years that homo sapiens has been around, according to the current theories of modern anthropologists. Objects made of metals oxidize fairly quickly - copper buckles have turned into green smears in archaeological sites only 500 years old. While hiking in the wilderness I have come across abandoned automobiles less than 100 years old that are just rust, barely holding the shape of a car. I sincerely doubt micro-circuitry is going to last for millennia without careful conservation. Plastics either.

Glaciers have tremendous power to grind stone objects into gravel, very little would still be recognizable if it was built in the path of the Ice Age glaciers.

So I think your estimation of probability is a bit low.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Plastics either.

Oh, no, plastics will unless deliberately burnt, and it'd take most of our species's resources to go out and find all the plastic and get rid of it in a lifetime. The rest of your points are good, though.

Your point about the Ice Age glaciers is especially good, too. Given this new information, I can update my estimate (after looking up the Bayesian formula and how to use it, because stupid old me hasn't memorised that yet) Bayes' Theorem is not useful here.

I've upped my 0.1% to 2%; 1 in 50 chance that the vast, vast majority of the evidence was either wiped out, buried by subduction, dismantled by other humans or otherwise rendered unreachable to us. Because your "human destruction" and "glacier" hypotheses are things that I hadn't thought of, and taking that into account makes it conceivable that such a thing might've happened in a hypothetical world (glaciers trashed loads and loads of evidence, and humans who didn't like it cleaned up the rest, so the hypothetical civilisation wouldn't have to have been so unsimilar to my expectations of how humans behave).

That makes 0.000018714%. It's still not really worth considering.

[–]wendolynne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Once you abandon the "young Earth" mindset, you can look at certain things in a different light. Egypt has some artifacts created with technology at our level or better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7d-hjlU0O4

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I've taken that into account. They didn't really require more technology; it was more about more effort going into making the things. We couldn't create those artefacts with our current level of technology quickly enough for us to not get bored.

[–]wendolynne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So, the attributes of an advanced civilization: plastic technology and a short attention span.
The word 'plastic' means changeable, by the way. Our plastic technology is approximately 100 years old. plastics deform easily - relatively low heat deforms them. grease reacts with tupperware. Hard plastics are brittle, shatter easily. If an ancient civilization had invented DVDs, and Medieval people found one, would they have any idea how to read it?

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The word 'plastic' means changeable, by the way.

Ok. Hydrocarbon-based polymers.

If an ancient civilisation had invented DVDs, and Medieval people found one, would they have any idea how to read it?

No, but they'd probably cotton on pretty quickly that it was made of something they didn't recognise. Then they'd probably give it to children to play with as a Frisbee, or just discard it, or possibly keep it as a trinket for a few years.

Where are you going with this?

[–]wendolynne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Perhaps something similar has been discovered, and we have no idea what it really is.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

and we have no idea what it really is.

It's likely that someone nowadays would post it on the web, and people would share it if it was strange.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Interesting tidbit about hydrocarbons: they are matter that contains the ethereal vibes from the era of dinosaurs, from which the "devils" aka "reptilians" evolved species left 3D space millions of years ago but linger around the Earth, guiding it to enslavement and destruction.

We are burning these fossil fuels because in burning them, the vibratory signature of the reptilian age are being released in the astral plane of the Earth, making it more suited to ever-increasing influence from outer-dimensions reptilians.

Their influence is behind the downfall of our current civilisation as well as, most importantly, the gradual extinction of sanity.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Speaking of sanity, how did you learn this?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have exceptional but somewhat limited vision through time, space and dimensions. The limitations are mostly SELF imposed, so I don't go nuts. Yes, this seems nuts, but only because you have not met me.

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Damn, no other questions. And here I thought a stimulating discussion would ensue.

[–]HeyImSancho 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good list! On the hidden history, and controlling the narrative, I think this is the greatest theft of all; they took our knowledge, and by extension puts mankind into a perpetual darkage.

[–]sawboss 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

My 1st and favorite is hidden human history. If we're supposedly evolved over millions and billions of years why is it wrong to think there were advanced societies a million years ago? I think it makes sense. and archaeological evidence is starting to come to light (big thanks to the internet! and free flowing information!) Two great youtube channels on this topic are Mystery History and vlad9tv

Maybe. Here are the most significant events in human evolution I'm aware of. I don't see any reason they couldn't have occurred thousands of years before they eventually did.

  • Consumption of animal flesh to promote large brain development.
  • Discovery of cooking which facilitates greater nutrient extraction from meat and enables consumption of plants which would otherwise be inedible.
  • Development of agriculture removes the necessity to constantly migrate. Stationary communities with abundant food allow men to develop philosophy and science.
  • Harnessing fossil fuels and other natural resources enables construction of labor saving machines.

which brings me to #2 conspiracy theory. control of the narrative. I was thinking on my morning walk today how it is fine to be passionate about your favorite sportsball team or flavor of alcoholic poison - but don't get too excited about fixing erious problems with the structure of the modern mess we're in. pop culture does a good job of keeping millions of minds on the same page. (go blue team! lol)

Why would anyone even doubt that? The "bread and circuses" aspects of sports and brand wars are undeniable. At least, that's how I've always seen it.

also, #3 secret government programs. there is so much missing money. so many secrets. so much shady shit going on. testing. of all kinds. I'm sure there are some human-animal hybrids and other horrible wretched genetic experimental shit

I'm about 70% sure this must be true. It seems extremely likely that somewhere there are secret labs working to create super human soldiers and such. The Russians and Chinese have already cultivated extraordinary subjects though guided natural means. Now that we have access to genetic science that's the obvious next step. I welcome our beastman overlords!

Also, where the fuck did the moon come from!

https://www.britannica.com/list/where-did-the-moon-come-from

It seems we aren't sure of the answer, but we have a few guesses. My favorite theory is that it's a chunk of debris from a destroyed planet which held an orbit near enough to earth for it to get captured in our gravity.

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Here's the #1 most critical human evolutionary trait: sweat glands.

Other creatures don't have them. This is also why we're less hairy. Other creatures can't regulate their temperature as well as humans. Therefor other creatures can't have over-heating brains, or run/walk/hunt long distances, or live in diverse climates.

[–]sawboss 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Good point! I missed mentioning the migration to cold northern climates. It promoted development by freezing to death those without the brain capacity to adapt. The fact that happens less often nowadays might explain some IQ decline in Western countries.

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I think the fact that the northern peoples need to eat mostly or only animal products for at least part of the year also ties into this: the best diet with the best nutrient profile helps a lot.

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Uh...all mammals have sweat glands...horses, dogs, cats, etc.

[–]MostlySunnySkies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AFAIK dogs "sweat" through their mouths only.. panting is the only way they have of cooling their bodies down. Essentially, their mouths, throat and lungs are a ventilation system distributing the cold air into their cores. It's why you have to make sure they have water on hot days also. They need to intake cold things to cool themselves off. They exhale the heat their blood has captured as water vapor as it passes through their lungs. We do the same thing through our skin.

I am not a vet however.

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

also, #3 secret government programs. there is so much missing money. so many secrets. so much shady shit going on. testing. of all kinds. I'm sure there are some human-animal hybrids and other horrible wretched genetic experimental shit

I'm about 70% sure this must be true. It seems extremely likely that somewhere there are secret labs working to create super human soldiers and such. The Russians and Chinese have already cultivated extraordinary subjects though guided natural means. Now that we have access to genetic science that's the obvious next step. I welcome our beastman overlords!

SAP special access programs, and CAP's, are the vehicles used often times for the black budget stuff; in reading up on them, a great deal of the individual budgets go towards disinformation designed to keep the project secret. SAP's, unless changed since the last time I read up on them, are exempt from the FOIA.

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Moon is artificial. It is what brought 'humans' to Earth. It should not exist, and has no other comparison, not even close. https://www.ancient-code.com/the-moon-an-artificial-base-who-put-the-moon-in-a-perfect-orbit-around-earth/

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Great post! Regarding #1 have you watched the NewEarth lady's videos? I love her stuff, with the bonus of her lovely lilting voice. Even if in a moment I feel skeptical about something she proposes, I enjoy considering everything, and putting aside everything I think I know for a bit.

Plus, "pinguins" :)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Links?

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Sorry, meant to do it and instantly forgot! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqLPTe6eEeBP10Zhu5p-0cQ

ETA: a lot of her stuff is based on the work of Anatoly Fomenko , whose ideas are intriguing food for thought. The way New Earth lady runs with it is pretty great.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you back, I do like Zoon Politicon, and hadn't seen her Fomenko stuff. She's doing a great job of keeping the ideas flowing.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Also check out You Are Free TV https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYuTOagsxlfgVBfOzCjxOPw/videos

A great new-to-me insightful similar resource.

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2 fascinates me. We focus on temporary things so much that if we had the same determination for solving real world problems, the place would be so much better. How can we fix this? How can we make people understand the depth of the impact they could make?

[–]Stoner 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

UFO's and the grand conspiracy.

[–]HearingWithoutStatic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

biggest issue I have is the talk of putting people on Mars when we have the moon right there for testing and colonizing

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Moon is artificial. It should not exist, and has no logical explanation. https://www.ancient-code.com/the-moon-an-artificial-base-who-put-the-moon-in-a-perfect-orbit-around-earth/

(Just read it, it's fascinating.)

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-#4 my take: we went there, but the alien bases made for strange souvenir pictures, so the photographs had to be re-made. They did what they could and missed a few things.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I find your first theory very interesting.

About the moon being in the same plane as the Earth's rotation, that is easily explained. Collections of objects such as galaxies, solar systems tend to form disc shapes rather than spherical shapes due to the conservation of angular momentum.

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if ppl think that humanity magically appeared on planet earth of 6 billion years old then they are in for some work. we are not the first civilization on this planet. metal and wood is lost in stone after 30k years. there has been far more advanced civilizations here before the meteor hit IMO and the aliens we so called see are the ones that escaped. there is a reason you see perfect spheres made of metal that are 500 million years old that cannot be made naturally. what is their use? and why did we find them?

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Ah! Finally somebody else on the exact same page as myself about the moon!

Maybe we should make a thread about that one and get members to chip in the summation of their research on the topic? I think that would be a great idea...

[–]Papitas 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hidden history, yes.

I usually (not so) jokingly say that "if future archaeologists are like ours, when they find our cellphones and tablets they will swear they were black mirrors we used to communicate with our gods".

... that's if anything from us ever survive.

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The moon media was edited to remove UFOs, which back then they didn't want us to know about.

Same as the nukes: UFOs visit every single nuclear detonation (and prevent nukes from being used in warfare) so all the nuclear test footage looks edited. BECAUSE IT IS.