Straightbian does a lesbophobic ama with her claiming she's going on dates with other men. Post gets locked. I'm reporting this shit.

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[–]Hematomato 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

You didn't really answer either of the questions, though, did you.

[–]gloomy_bear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If she showed attraction to men now, then she was never a lesbian to begin with.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

So you're of the opinion that sexual orientation exists, is fixed in place before birth, and can never change - and you think it's hateful to doubt that opinion, to the point where authorities need to step in and censor that doubt?

[–]gloomy_bear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't think they need to censor it. I just reported it in a moment of anger. And yes, sexual orientation is fixed from birth. If somehow somebody finds out that they're attracted to somebody else like they thought they're lesbian and now date men or thought they're straight man and now date men, then they were never homosexual or heterosexual to begin with.

[–]Hematomato 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

And yes, sexual orientation is fixed from birth. If somehow somebody finds out that they're attracted to somebody else like they thought they're lesbian and now date men or thought they're straight man and now date men, then they were never homosexual or heterosexual to begin with.

There's plenty of evidence that that's not the case. As people go through decades of life, attractions, identifications, and practices can all change. See, for example:

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/sexual-fluidity-and-the-diversity-of-sexual-orientation-202203312717

Frankly, there was never really evidence that sexual orientation was "fixed from birth." That was misinformation all along, spread to discourage conversion therapy. I don't approve of conversion therapy, but I also don't approve of misinformation.

[–]gloomy_bear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sexual fluidity is only fluid in bisexuals though

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's just the thing, though. There's no evidence that "bisexual" is necessarily lifelong. It certainly can be - but it can also be, perhaps, two decades of your life.

Sexuality is way more complicated than we've been taught.

[–]gloomy_bear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"Change" Btw, you may claim you're not for conversion therapy, but the fact that their attractions can change is proof that they're bisexual. I think you are projecting on spreading misinformation here. You sound exactly like political straightbians, TQ+, and conservative Christians and Muslims.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The fact that something can change doesn't mean something else was true all along. If I liked death metal in my teens and prog rock in my thirties, it doesn't mean I was a prog rock fan all along.

You seem to be all-in on the model that sexual orientation is permanently fixed at birth. But what if that was never true? What if it's perfectly normal for sexual orientation to shift around over the course of a person's lifestyle?

And yes, I'm very much against conversion therapy. Because I think it's fundamentally wrong to try to force someone to change their sexuality.

...which is kind of what you're doing here, when you say it's offensive that a lesbian might date a man. You're telling her: either change your practices or change your identity.

And I'm not for that kind of behavior.

[–]gloomy_bear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No I'm not. Lesbians don't date men. You're arguing in bad faith here.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What do you think the phrase "arguing in bad faith" means? These days, if you disagree with anyone, they tell you you're "arguing in bad faith." So what do those four words mean to you?

[–]gloomy_bear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not disagreeing. You can disagree with somebody, but arguing in bad faith is using logical fallacies.