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[–]Anonfamous 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Most definitely not. Missle systems are hard to get right even with the newest technology and the brightest minds. I'm still curious where you're going with this. ?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with you completely.

The logical conclusion to this line of questioning, is that we never landed on the moon on any of the 6 Apollo "Moon" Missions".

It's an absolutely impossible feat. 6/6 flawless landings, in 3 short years. Couldn't ever happen.

Edit: There's mountains of indisputable evidence. But this thought experiment is all that is required, if we're honest in our assessment.

Edit 2:. The astronauts would not have had:.

  • Video cameras to see the landing sight, or any way to see through the thrusters that showed their descent.
  • A laser range finder to gage distance to land even if they could see
  • Any depth perception, even if they had a screen
  • Any atmosphere to use as an aligning force for orientation (fins, wings, parachutes, etc.) So once they start rotating (yaw, pitch, roll) is over and they'll never regain stability.

Space X crashed 1/3 rockets last year, and they're top of the line 2018 tech. Imagine 1969 tech.
Not possible.

Landing is the hardest part of flight.

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What about all the scientists monitoring the rocket though? And the long time frame allowing them to align it perfectly? I'm sure a human could accurately launch a missile and hit it accurately with enough math. They had very basic computers aboard the ship too. Of course one person couldn't do this, at least not easily; that is why they have massive teams for these.

I think a better example would be things like the NSA, which are verified conspiracy.

There is a reflector on the moon for proof as well, if I remember correctly.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What about all the scientists monitoring the rocket though?

First people fooled.

And the long time frame allowing them to align it perfectly? I'm sure a human could accurately launch a missile and hit it accurately with enough math. They had very basic computers aboard the ship too. Of course one person couldn't do this, at least not easily; that is why they have massive teams for these.

Doesn't matter how many people are in the team. There's only one pilot. They could never safely land it. There's no reason to make excuses for them.

I think a better example would be things like the NSA, which are verified conspiracy.

The Apollo mission is a better example. It's staring us in the face, but many cannot accept it. You admitted it with the:

Of course one person couldn't do this.

There is a reflector on the moon for proof as well, if I remember correctly.

Could be there. If so, it wasn't put there by astronauts in the 70's. Realisticly, it probably isn't there. Enough people believe the hoax. Why would they bother?

It's better to rip this band-aid off early. You'll be glad you did later...

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If the reflector might not be there, I should prove it is myself by shining a laser at it! Let's read the Wikipedia article:

The first successful tests were carried out in 1962 when a team from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology succeeded in observing laser pulses reflected from the Moon's surface using a laser with a millisecond pulse length. Similar measurements were obtained later the same year by a Soviet team at the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory using a Q-switchedruby laser. Greater accuracy was achieved following the installation of a retroreflectorarray on 21 July 1969, by the crew of Apollo 11, and two more retroreflector arrays left by the Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 missions have also contributed to the experiment. Successful lunar laser range measurements to the retroreflectors were first reported by the 3.1 m telescope at Lick Observatory, Air Force Cambridge Research Laboratories Lunar Ranging Observatory in Arizona, the Pic du Midi Observatory in France, the Tokyo Astronomical Observatory, and McDonald Observatory in Texas.

The unmanned Soviet Lunokhod 1 and Lunokhod 2 rovers carried smaller arrays. Reflected signals were initially received from Lunokhod 1, but no return signals were detected after 1971 until a team from University of California rediscovered the array in April 2010 using images from NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. Lunokhod 2's array continues to return signals to Earth. The Lunokhod arrays suffer from decreased performance in direct sunlight—a factor considered in reflector placement during the Apollo missions.

Oh…

Not only was it possible to shine a laser before, but rovers apparently placed some as well, meaning that this result could have been gotten even if no humans went on the moon! Now I doubt the rigorousness of this "proof", and I have no more solid proof that this actually happened. People say making a film set would be impossible with the angles of the lights, but I don't see why they couldn't have just filmed this outside and perhaps colour-corrected the images. Photo editing was more advanced then than people think…

I still don't have good proof that it didn't happen though. There were 3 pilots in the ship, and I believe it was remotely operated at times as well. Steering a rocket through windy air avoiding moving objects would be basically impossible for a human due to rapidly changing conditions, but this was done in the vacuum of space, with lots of time to make calculations beforehand.

Edit: While writing this, I forgot about the previous edit about landing. I don't see why the ship would start to roll while landing if there isn't any wind, but surely they could have used thrusters or a gyroscope…

Edit 2: What about https://infogalactic.com/info/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings?

Edit 3: With working images: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings?wprov=sfla1