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[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm not sure gender identity theory is ever the correct path. It's highly questionable.

It's an empirical science. You get the best psychological outcomes if you allow trans people to live as the gender of the brain.

Puberty blockers and HRT both cause irreversible changes.

It's certainly less than perfect. But it's not as irreversible as gender reassignment surgery, nor as puberty itself.

You should read r/detrans, that doesn't seem to be the case.

No, r/detrams only shows that detransitioners exist, which is not contentious.

They are about 1% of transitioners. Depending a bit on how hostile the society is: https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/

The validity of the Dutch study is questionable.

What are the main flaws in that study?

In any case it's not the only one. The UK had a crisis where one of their clinics had between 6 and 7 percent detranisitionin, and concluded that the clinic wasn't meeting all the needs of their patients. A Swedish study found 2% has some kind of regret. Not all of those would have detransitioned.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

gender of the brain

Where is evidence of this claim? What is "gender" of the brain? The brain of any body is the sex of that body. Any feelings in a man's brain are male feelings. To claim you can feel and know what the other sex feels is a stunning display of hubris and ignorance. To feel like you don't align with the sex stereotypes (gender) for your sex is normal. No one feels like they align with stupid social stereotypes. No one actually believes gender is what all members of that sex class are universally into. Who thinks all men are violent, emotional, aggressive, mechanically inclined, humorless, and all have the same likes of shitty beer, sportsball, and denigrating women. We are all different and none of us aligns to gender expectations. There is no such thing as "brain gender."

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The brain of any body is the sex of that body.

You don't think there's any differences in the behaviour or psychology of men and women?

You might want to stop and think about that. Is it a sensible claim?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

All the differences are clearly the result of socialization or hormones. No one is born with them.

Of course you can say people are born with "masculine" and "feminine" brains, but that's circular logic. "Brains are gendered because they have masculine and feminine characteristics. Those characteristics are masculine or feminine because I say so. Brains have said characteristics, therefore they are masculine and feminine."

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

All the differences are clearly the result of socialization or hormones

Those contribute.

I don't think it's known how much genetics and how much hormones contribute to the differences in the brains of males and females.

Your claim that "No one is born with them" would be a 0% contribution by genetics, which is implausible.

Of course you can say people are born with "masculine" and "feminine" brains, but that's circular logic

No. Some of the differences are in the sizes of different structures, and can be measured objectively post-mortem.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, post-puberty. Even then they don't know many real patterns. They just say "women are more emotional, so having larger emotional centers is a feminine trait".

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There's physical differences in the brain from birth. Easiest to measure is size.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And I already explained to you how size is only an indirect correlation. It's caused by other factors that are affected by sex, such as height.

You'll notice that kids are much less stereotypical. Even since infancy they've picked up on gender norms, but it takes long enough that you can see it progress. Kids will play with either gender, but when they get older they'll only hang out with their own gender. Kids begrudgingly follow gender roles because their parents want them to; but by the time they're teenagers it's part of their identity. Kids treat each other the same; grown ups have a whole bunch of double standards based around gender. You can literally see the brainwashing progress over time.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And I already explained to you how size is only an indirect correlation. It's caused by other factors that are affected by sex, such as height.

You're mistaken about that. The skull in males, even at birth, is independently larger, even correcting for factors such as height.

There are cultural differences too. But if transexualism can be cultural, which I question, it certainly isn't always. Their brains can be physically more similar to the other gender from the one assigned at birth.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any differences detected are the result of hormones and do not exist in children. That doesn't mean there aren't any, but we have no evidence.