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[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I'm saying the brain and body's gender are not aligned in patients who are transsexual or who have gender dysphoria.

Sometimes the physical gender will also be indeterminate or intermediate between male and female.

But the brain is another organ in which gender is exhibited, and sometimes that does match even when the physical gender appears clear. Hence "transsexual". You've heard the term?

[–]SerpensInferna 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Okay I'll bite.

What is gender?

What is male gender?

What is female gender?

Hit me with anything other than stereotypes and I'll give you a listen.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gender is being male or female. In the case of those that don't fit in either of those boxes, it's whatever they are.

Male gender is the gender that people who are male have. Female gender is the gender that people who are female have.

I'm failing to see what you're trying to get at with this line of questioning.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is gender?

It is not being male or female. That is sex. Sex is being male or female.

What is gender? I'm failing to see an answer to an honest question. You like to redirect when you have no actual answer but feel you know you're correct?

Gender is sex stereotypes. The idea that women are nurturing and men are aggressive is taught and learned. Unless the brain scans of male and female newborns are scanned, show differences, and those differences stay on those scans through adulthood, we can say the differences are learned because of neuroplasticity. We know it's nurture. We know that. We have zero evidence of anything described as "gender."

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have issues with my biology but that's it. For the longest time I didn't even realize it was connected to sex until I noticed they're all sexually dimorphic characteristics.

I don't really know how to explain it though other than it just doesn't mesh with me. It's like not getting along with a person. The worst of it is actually in my cognitive functioning. It feels like my brain is a bunched of incompatible parts duct-taped together. But I also have a lot of other problems up there so I'm not sure how much of it is actually related to this.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There is the body's sex. What is the brain gender? Again, just personality and interests, right? That's sexist to say people who like to wear makeup, be nurturing or like crafts must be female. It's sexist to say that all boundary violators, rapists and people who like wrestling must be men.

Transsexual are the men who had autogynephila or were homosexual transsexuals living in extremely homophobic communities that were ostracizing to them so it was easier to live pretending to be female than be a clear target as a potentially homosexual male? I've heard of them. They never thought they were female, and having a fetish or trauma in no way makes them female or anything like women.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What is the brain gender?

There are differences in desires and motivation, personality, aggression and sexuality in the brains of women compared to men.

Transsexual are the men who had autogynephila

Nope. That's men who have autogynephila.

r were homosexual transsexuals living in extremely homophobic communities that were ostracizing to them so it was easier to live pretending to be female than be a clear target as a potentially homosexual male?

That did happen and those are some of the few people who detransition or express regret over transitioning. Mostly it was their own homophobia that lead them to misunderstand and misdiagnose themselves.

If you get the diagnosis correct, the patient is happier, healthier and has better quality of life after transitioning. That's not the case for those two groups you mention.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There are differences in desires and motivation, personality, aggression and sexuality in the brains of women compared to men.

That's literally just sexism and doesn't have anything to do with the body even if it were true.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Look mate, there's a whole body of work about the sexual dimorphism of the human brain.

If you're not familiar with what we know about the field, wiki is a pretty good primer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences

But calling it "just sexism" doesn't make it so.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And they're all either the result of hormones, socialization, or are only indirectly correlated with sex. For example, female brains are 10% smaller on average. But it turns out that's actually because they're shorter on average. There are hormonal differences but those don't appear until puberty, and they still affect trans people.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Mediated by hormones perhaps. But you can't know that none of it is due to the genetic differences of the sex chromosomes themselves.

It's not height that makes the difference. Skull size is independently different. And even if you ignore head-size-related measurements, you can still identify from the brain alone the sex in 92% of cases.

Even if you take out brain size entirely, and correct for the effects of that on every other measurement you can still tell sex from the brain better than a coin toss. (Technically about 70% of the time, as at what we knew back in 2016).

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Skull size affects brain size. This is all stupid, every single supposed difference turns out to be caused indirectly by a different trait.

Even if there are trends, which we can never seem to identify, there's still no evidence for a distinctly male or female brain.