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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

This is why it's important to get a correct diagnosis before starting HRT.

Which is why people get prescribed puberty blockers as an interim solution: A solution not without its side-effects, but at least it keeps people alive.

They're getting it right in the vast majority of cases though. The proportion of people that want to de-transition is in the vicinity of 1%, and it looks to me like it's broadly improving with time.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

Stop gatekeeping you truscum bigot! The ONLY requirement for being trans is to say you're trans! If you seriously think someone needs gender dysphoria then you're full of internalized transphobia and are literally Hitler. DNI.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

The ONLY requirement for being trans is to say you're trans!

You need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you will get HRT.

There are criteria for that.

From the DSM V:

The DSM-5-TR defines gender dysphoria in children as a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, lasting at least 6 months, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be the first criterion):

A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
In boys (assigned gender), a strong preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong preference for wearing only typical masculine clothing and a strong resistance to the wearing of typical feminine clothing
A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play
A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender
A strong preference for playmates of the other gender
In boys (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically masculine toys, games, and activities and a strong avoidance of rough-and-tumble play; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically feminine toys, games, and activities
A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy
A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one’s experienced gender
As with the diagnostic criteria for adolescents and adults, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

The DSM V also has transgender people without the dysphoria. But in that case, you don't treat with HRT or surgery. You just go: That's interesting. Have a good life.

[–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Only the last two criteria are actual gender dysphoria. The rest are literally just sexist stereotypes. Yes, this means it's nearly impossible to tell if someone is transsexual pre-puberty. But the media and big pharma can't have that, because it means they can't trans kids. And it also excludes transtrenders.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

That's the DSM 5, mate. As long as you've got 6, including the first one, that defines actual gender dysphoria.

But the media and big pharma can't have that, because it means they can't trans kids.

Pharma doesn't trans kids. Media didn't trans anyone.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I don't care if it's in the DSM 100, it's blatantly dishonest and distorted by liberal gender theory. You have to be an NPC to not recognize how the last two criteria are fundamentally different from the rest. Something like a girl not liking pink or dresses does not indicate transness, and to think it does is actually sexist. And kids are impressionable, so once adults or other kids plant that idea in their head they're going to believe it until they end up detransitioning. Then go on to blame trans people for fucking up their lives and propagating sexism. It also downplays the severity of gender dysphoria by equating it with normal struggles with conformity and peer pressure.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

The definition of gender dysphoria is what it is. You can care or not, but the DSM V is the standard. And if you have all the others, you don't need the last two.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Did you know? The meaning of words change all the time. In doing so retroactively changing older definitions creating paradoxes and falsehoods. This is how you subvert objective realities and observations, replacing them with lies meant to destroy nations and your family blood line.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Did you know? The meaning of words change all the time.

Technical terms are well defined.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You live in a false reality.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay I agree with everything you said, but I don't see what the big deal is about the family blood line. It comes up a lot so I'm curious.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Your heritage and your way of life depends on you continuing your family line. How your children help craft humanity is vital to our existence. That is all.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You need the last two and I'm not bowing down to the DSM 5 when it's wrong. Who gave them the right to call all the shots?

They want to erase transsexuals so that they can normalize transgenderism, and that's because it's politically expedient in the culture war era and brings in truckloads of cash to big pharma and Planned Parenthood. This isn't something to celebrate about. I hope it dwindles away and dies and never bothers anyone ever again.

Two of the criteria are people having real distress about their bodies. The rest are essentially what they do in Iran: "We're gonna make you trans because we're raging sexists and hate people who don't fit gender norms". WHAT THE FUCK?!!! No wonder there's TERFs. No wonder detransitioning is on the rise.

If this goes far enough EVERYONE will be considered "gender fluid". Then they will have successfully erased both super straights and transsexuals. And gotten everyone to believe such obvious bullshit purely through social engineering, and it is merely an experiment for communist subverters. They'll know they've won when everything the people believe is a lie. Seriously, people who lived under communism are warning that this radical leftist agenda IS communism, whether they admit it or not. And it is. They just want to destroy the individual so they can have all the power to themselves. A metaphorical matrix within a literal matrix, imagine that. Of course I already consider it such.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

You do not need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you get HRT. The child of a friend walked right into Planned Parenthood with no such diagnosis and walked right out with hormones after one meeting.

It is transphobic and bigoted to claim you need gender dysphoria to get HRT. You are transmedicalist gatekeeping.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yeah, they go through your medical history, and get a prescription on the first visit.

It would not have been walk-in-walk-out. They would have been in there one or two hours.

And they would not have been a child.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why are you still arguing that minors don't have these procedures done?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I see you've misunderstood my comment. Let me explain again:

Those planned parenthood facilities that prescribe HRT with "informed consent" rather than psychiatric evaluation cannot treat a minor, because a minor cannot give informed consent.

They do give hrt to 16 and 17 year olds, but "The child of a friend walked right into Planned Parenthood with no such diagnosis and walked right out with hormones after one meeting" could not have happened. They would have needed to walk in with their parent or guardian who would have have to have signed the informed consent.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They give hormones to people much younger than 16 or 17, so it's sort of odd that you would present that in a "oh well look they're barely minors anyway" tone, unless you are genuinely uninformed.

But yes, for minors, the parents do need to sign a single form before the clinic sends them on their way.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They give hormones to people much younger than 16 or 17

Planned parenthood don't:

In order to receive gender affirming hormone therapy services you need to be over 18 (or 16-17 with parental consent) and capable of providing consent for services. There are special consents for these services. - https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-mar-monte/patient-resources/gender-affirming-care

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you know? That you are u/ActuallyNot _ ____ _____?

[–]DONKEYBALOGNA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These trainees need to be stopped they want to be able to give these medications to children they're in their teaching first graders about gender identity man f*** these mother f****** they better be glad they didn't teach my children about that s***

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nothing I said was a lie. Their child is 19. He walked in and walked out after one hour-long meeting. That's what I said. That doesn't refute your claim that you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you get cross-sex hormones, because that's what I was replying to, and you are still very wrong, because that is not true, and you're trying to deflect from that.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sure. I didn't suspect that you were lying.

I was merely clarifying for the reader that although this was your friend's child, they would have had to have been an adult.

I agree that planned parenthood will prescribe hrt from informed consent at since sites, rather than psychiatric evaluation. I didn't know that.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure. I didn't suspect that you were lying.

Yes, you did. You questioned my integrity when you said:

It would not have been walk-in-walk-out. They would have been in there one or two hours. And they would not have been a child.

in response to my saying:

The child of a friend walked right into Planned Parenthood with no such diagnosis and walked right out with hormones after one meeting.

By taking exactly what I said and adding your own interpretation. You added the claim the child must have been underage. You claimed I said they walked in and walked out, when you can clearly see I wrote "after one meeting." You're being disingenuous, and you inferred I was misinterpreting what I claimed "for the reader." You are disingenuous and misread/intentionally misinterpret so that the "reader" would think me a liar. That's not acceptable.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If it means so much to you to be called a liar, do it yourself.

[–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you will get HRT.

By using the affirmation model, as you've been shoving down everyone's throats up there. What is the affirmation model? Someone says they are trans, and that means they are trans. Boom, done. What a rigorous process for a diagnosis.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By using the affirmation model, as you've been shoving down everyone's throats up there.

Have i?

What's the affirmation model?

Someone says they are trans, and that means they are trans. Boom, done. What a rigorous process for a diagnosis.

Trans doesn't need a diagnosis, because it doesn't need treatment. Gender dysphoria needs treatment, and the diagnostic criteria are above.