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[–]EternalSunset 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (53 children)

These people are mentally ill and being misled by gender ideology. I don't think we should be making fun of them when they are coming to terms with that reality and stepping out of their clown world uniforms.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You are correct, IMO. I agree.

These people should heard by everyone, especially children who think it’s trendy to mutilate themselves.

[–]HibikiBlack 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Third wave feminism really fucked females and made them lean towards their worst insticts. Some of the best feminists I've met are women who claim staying at home by itself is a privilege and a duty they have with the family. They are spot on because third wave feminism was made to destroy the family unit.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It takes advantage of stupid people.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, not sure how anything in the OP warrants disparaging comments. She's just figuring out how to make peace with an irreversible mistake that forever altered the course of her life.

[–]Musky[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't see any disparaging comments, I'd say pretty much everyone feels bad for the girl and those poor boobies. Their stories are important to draw attention to as a cautionary tale. The best outcome I can see now is her experience might stop someone else from going down the same path.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are a couple, and they were among the first comments.

[–]Monkeyshiner 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

http://twitter.com/erininthemorn

The queen of transitions, she is a tranny mom.

[–]brimshae 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This right here. People who break out of the lie they were sold should be given Sympathy, some shells, directions to the homes of the people that did this to them, and full immunity from prosecution.

Sympathy comes in 20 and 12 gauge variants.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

Detransitioners are about 1 or 2 percent of those who transition.

It's likely that someone is being mislead by gender ideology. Amongst the possibilities that we're considering should be that it's you.

Is your problem with the existence of gender dysphoria?

Or do you think that the current best practise ways of dealing with it could be improved?

[–]jacques1102 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

The current best practice isn't clearly the best since suicide rates are still high even after surgery, and before you give me the"Suicide is high because of a lack of acceptance and discrimination".Bro,the surgery does not change ones biological sex no matter how many lies are said about the neovaginas or neopenis.Secondly,what is discrimination?Because i've seen transcels that say a lesbian or cis man not dating a trans woman is enough to cause them to want to kill themselves or misgendering is enough to have suicidal thoughts.What ever happened to trying to get people to accept themselves for who they're biological born as?If trans people can't live in a world where they can't except themselves for who they're biological born as then that's their problem not ours.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

The current best practice isn't clearly the best since suicide rates are still high even after surgery,

Nope. For instance:

RESULTS: Transgender children showed no elevations in depression and slightly elevated anxiety relative to population averages. They did not differ from the control groups on depression symptoms and had only marginally higher anxiety symptoms. - https://brettcollins.ca/files/peds_Olson.pdf

[–]jacques1102 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Nope.For instance https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Nevertheless, surgery reduces suicide attempts. It also reduces anxiety, depression, and symptoms of gender dysphoria and increases reported life satisfaction, happiness and quality of life.

[–]Questionable 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

No. It doesn't.

Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

For fuck's sake mate, I've been linking to peer reviewed science, performed by people looking for the truth through the best evidence.

Don't give me that heritage foundation bullshit. My IQ is bigger than my pants size.

[–]DeadWalks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A guy has a bad back. Psychiatrist says it's all in his head. Chiropractor says he needs to stretch. Surgeon recommends spinal decompression. GP says to take ibuprofen and fuck off. The gender reassignment advisor says he should cut off his penis. Peer review means shit when all science is vulnerable to bias.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's not peer review, it's being referred to the wrong specialist. (Or quack in the case of the chiropractor).

And the heritage foundation manipulate data to mislead people to support what they think jesus wants.

Ironic if you note who's referred to as "the deceiver" in their little Bible that they probably think they're following

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So did I. But you ignored it to talk about yourself. And your pants for some reason.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

My IQ is bigger than my pants size.

So, saying that you are morbidly obese, roughly 450 pounds, you are telling me that your I.Q is higher than your pants size of 58?

Alright. Strange flex, but I will allow it.

https://wikidiff.com/moron/cretin

Congratulations! You are no dumber than a moron! Provided you are morbidly obese that is.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So did I.

You did not. You linked to an opinion piece by the agenda given group that produced shit that is the opposite of what everyone else finds who studies the subject such as "A child does better if they have heterosexual parents compared to homosexual ones". And now this bullshit "Sex Reassignment Doesn’t Work. Here Is the Evidence."

What crap.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

Interesting enough abstract. I can't find the full paper for free. Note that it says:

  • Interpersonal microaggressions, made a unique, statistically significant contribution to lifetime suicide attempts and emotional neglect by family approached significance. School belonging, emotional neglect by family, and internalized self-stigma made a unique, statistically significant contribution to past 6-month suicidality.

Note that it doesn't say:

  • HRT and Surgery makes a significant contribution to lifetime suicide attempts

So this does not refute what I say above: Nevertheless, surgery reduces suicide attempts. It also reduces anxiety, depression, and symptoms of gender dysphoria and increases reported life satisfaction, happiness and quality of life, as uncovered by the meta-analysis linked.

Congratulations! You are no dumber than a moron!

Oh the irony.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nope. There's zero evidence for that.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've linked to the papers that demonstrate that, and are the evidence.

[–]jacques1102 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So they're delusional then since they believe that the neovagina or neopenis they get is just like a real one when it really isn't.A inverted mutilated penis is nothing like a biological vagina and vice versa with a surgical penis.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, they don't think that. These are people who've had the surgery.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So they aren't going to kill themselves if they don't have drugs and surgery then.

As the person you replied to said, most suicide happens 5-10 years after surgical transition, so it's all downhill for those kids if they continue on that path.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

most suicide happens 5-10 years after surgical transition

Source?

[–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yeah, because they're children who haven't suffered puberty yet. Unfortunately that also makes it nearly impossible to diagnose gender dysphoria vs. confusion or social contagion or other causes.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The results are consistent if you include adults. Here's a meta-analysis of 53 studies.

Note the results:

53 studies were included. Findings indicate reduced rates of suicide attempts, anxiety, depression, and symptoms of gender dysphoria along with higher levels of life satisfaction, happiness and QoL after gender-affirming surgery. Some studies reported that initial QoL improvements post gender-affirming surgery were not always enduring.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Those studies are all badly done. Most have a drop out rate of 30-50%. What do you think happens to those trans people who fall off the map? Also those who have surgery rely on their surgeon to keep cleaning and fixing the open wound they have. They have a justifed fear that if they give them a bad review the care they need to survive might be taken away.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most have a drop out rate of 30-50%.

That's not mentioned in the limitations section.

Did you just pull it out of your ass?

[–]Vulptex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Some studies reported that initial QoL improvements post gender-affirming surgery were not always enduring.

And that would be correct. They get a glimmer of false hope, but the truth eventually sets in and they're completely out of options.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

some

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So the other studies were wrong, and probably biased.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm supposed to take your supposition as fact?

I don't. If you can't supply the evidence that the studies are wrong, or the studies showing the opposite result that are better controlled or larger sample size, then I can't take this supposition as evidence of anything other than that you're depressed about the world.

[–]EternalSunset 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is your problem with the existence of gender dysphoria?

Most transgenders don't have gender dysphoria, they are just fetishists who take sexual pleasure from believing their are of the other sex or people with different illnesses who get misdiagnosed. And like I said I don't have a problem with the people that are mentally ill, what I do have a problem with is the gender ideologues and the medical-industrial complex who are inducing those vulnerable people into mutilating their own bodies and forcing everyone else to shut up about it and pretend this is normal.

PS: Why do you shill for everything that is bad and wrong about the world, socks?

[–]LordoftheFlies 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

PS: Why do you shill for everything that is bad and wrong about the world, socks?

He's either a really dedicated troll, or so he's so full of misery and hate that he needs to see everything and everyone brought low, preferably lower than his current state, to feel even the dimmest flicker of satisfaction.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's that he's so lonely and sad, he craves the interaction. If he just came here and acted like a normal person, he might get zero engagement. By regurgitating past-due, liberal talking points in a space of rejects from liberal online spaces, he guarantees getting interaction. He doesn't care that it's negative - he likes self-harm.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He's not socks.

[–]Alienhunter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Historically it's been one of two percent. The rise of social media gender disphoria getting politicized and the recent massive change in demographics where we've seen a thousand fold increase in people getting treatment for gender disphoria along with a massive shift away from MTF to FTM becoming the most common, while utterly speculation at this point, I think we're looking at a future where nearly 50% of the people transitioning in the 2015-2025 decade or so will end up de-transitioning.

Essentially it used to be that you had to pass a bunch of psychological tests to get vetted for whether or not you could get hormones or surgeries or not. Pre internet it basically was super rare. (Hence why people would try to bypass this and go to places like Thailand for sketchy surgeries).

Now with the internet you've got whole groups of people sharing their tips on how to pass the vetting procedures as well as convincing themselves that their basic run of the mill teen depression / puberty woes actually are because they are trans. They basically give out hormones like candy now (and self treatment also happens a lot).

And the barrier to entry for the surgeries is also extremely diminished.

[–]Musky[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Historically it's been one of two percent. The rise of social media gender disphoria getting politicized and the recent massive change in demographics where we've seen a thousand fold increase in people getting treatment for gender disphoria along with a massive shift away from MTF to FTM becoming the most common, while utterly speculation at this point, I think we're looking at a future where nearly 50% of the people transitioning in the 2015-2025 decade or so will end up de-transitioning.

THIS. I just tried to say that but you write it prettier.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

and self treatment also happens a lot

How much is "a lot" here?

And the barrier to entry for the surgeries is also extremely diminished.

What was the barrier to entry for the surgeries before?

What is it now?

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How much is "a lot" here?

More than a few less than always.

What was the barrier to entry for the surgeries before?

Years of psychiatric care and profiling to ensure that the person actually has disphoria and that transitioning was the best (or rather least worst) option for them.

What is it now?

You go online order a bunch of T and start on it. Or you go to a doctor and say you have disphoria and you'll kill yourself if you don't get your way and you get an immediate social transition, nearly immediate HRT. And if you're a female then mastectomy as a teenager just as soon as you can find a doctor willing to perform it. Easy enough to do that.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What was the barrier to entry for the surgeries before?

What is it now?

Do you genuinely not know?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nope

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Then what is your actual response to the mental health checks being very much relaxed over the past few years?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't notice. Where have they been relaxed, from what, and to what?