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[–]EternalSunset 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (53 children)

These people are mentally ill and being misled by gender ideology. I don't think we should be making fun of them when they are coming to terms with that reality and stepping out of their clown world uniforms.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You are correct, IMO. I agree.

These people should heard by everyone, especially children who think it’s trendy to mutilate themselves.

[–]HibikiBlack 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Third wave feminism really fucked females and made them lean towards their worst insticts. Some of the best feminists I've met are women who claim staying at home by itself is a privilege and a duty they have with the family. They are spot on because third wave feminism was made to destroy the family unit.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It takes advantage of stupid people.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, not sure how anything in the OP warrants disparaging comments. She's just figuring out how to make peace with an irreversible mistake that forever altered the course of her life.

[–]Musky[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't see any disparaging comments, I'd say pretty much everyone feels bad for the girl and those poor boobies. Their stories are important to draw attention to as a cautionary tale. The best outcome I can see now is her experience might stop someone else from going down the same path.

[–]Monkeyshiner 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

http://twitter.com/erininthemorn

The queen of transitions, she is a tranny mom.

[–]brimshae 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This right here. People who break out of the lie they were sold should be given Sympathy, some shells, directions to the homes of the people that did this to them, and full immunity from prosecution.

Sympathy comes in 20 and 12 gauge variants.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

Detransitioners are about 1 or 2 percent of those who transition.

It's likely that someone is being mislead by gender ideology. Amongst the possibilities that we're considering should be that it's you.

Is your problem with the existence of gender dysphoria?

Or do you think that the current best practise ways of dealing with it could be improved?

[–]jacques1102 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

The current best practice isn't clearly the best since suicide rates are still high even after surgery, and before you give me the"Suicide is high because of a lack of acceptance and discrimination".Bro,the surgery does not change ones biological sex no matter how many lies are said about the neovaginas or neopenis.Secondly,what is discrimination?Because i've seen transcels that say a lesbian or cis man not dating a trans woman is enough to cause them to want to kill themselves or misgendering is enough to have suicidal thoughts.What ever happened to trying to get people to accept themselves for who they're biological born as?If trans people can't live in a world where they can't except themselves for who they're biological born as then that's their problem not ours.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

The current best practice isn't clearly the best since suicide rates are still high even after surgery,

Nope. For instance:

RESULTS: Transgender children showed no elevations in depression and slightly elevated anxiety relative to population averages. They did not differ from the control groups on depression symptoms and had only marginally higher anxiety symptoms. - https://brettcollins.ca/files/peds_Olson.pdf

[–]jacques1102 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Nope.For instance https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Nevertheless, surgery reduces suicide attempts. It also reduces anxiety, depression, and symptoms of gender dysphoria and increases reported life satisfaction, happiness and quality of life.

[–]Questionable 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

No. It doesn't.

Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

For fuck's sake mate, I've been linking to peer reviewed science, performed by people looking for the truth through the best evidence.

Don't give me that heritage foundation bullshit. My IQ is bigger than my pants size.

[–]DeadWalks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A guy has a bad back. Psychiatrist says it's all in his head. Chiropractor says he needs to stretch. Surgeon recommends spinal decompression. GP says to take ibuprofen and fuck off. The gender reassignment advisor says he should cut off his penis. Peer review means shit when all science is vulnerable to bias.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's not peer review, it's being referred to the wrong specialist. (Or quack in the case of the chiropractor).

And the heritage foundation manipulate data to mislead people to support what they think jesus wants.

Ironic if you note who's referred to as "the deceiver" in their little Bible that they probably think they're following

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    [–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Nope. There's zero evidence for that.

    [–]jacques1102 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    So they're delusional then since they believe that the neovagina or neopenis they get is just like a real one when it really isn't.A inverted mutilated penis is nothing like a biological vagina and vice versa with a surgical penis.

    [–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    So they aren't going to kill themselves if they don't have drugs and surgery then.

    As the person you replied to said, most suicide happens 5-10 years after surgical transition, so it's all downhill for those kids if they continue on that path.

    [–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    Yeah, because they're children who haven't suffered puberty yet. Unfortunately that also makes it nearly impossible to diagnose gender dysphoria vs. confusion or social contagion or other causes.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    The results are consistent if you include adults. Here's a meta-analysis of 53 studies.

    Note the results:

    53 studies were included. Findings indicate reduced rates of suicide attempts, anxiety, depression, and symptoms of gender dysphoria along with higher levels of life satisfaction, happiness and QoL after gender-affirming surgery. Some studies reported that initial QoL improvements post gender-affirming surgery were not always enduring.

    [–]jet199 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Those studies are all badly done. Most have a drop out rate of 30-50%. What do you think happens to those trans people who fall off the map? Also those who have surgery rely on their surgeon to keep cleaning and fixing the open wound they have. They have a justifed fear that if they give them a bad review the care they need to survive might be taken away.

    [–]Vulptex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Some studies reported that initial QoL improvements post gender-affirming surgery were not always enduring.

    And that would be correct. They get a glimmer of false hope, but the truth eventually sets in and they're completely out of options.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    some

    [–]EternalSunset 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Is your problem with the existence of gender dysphoria?

    Most transgenders don't have gender dysphoria, they are just fetishists who take sexual pleasure from believing their are of the other sex or people with different illnesses who get misdiagnosed. And like I said I don't have a problem with the people that are mentally ill, what I do have a problem with is the gender ideologues and the medical-industrial complex who are inducing those vulnerable people into mutilating their own bodies and forcing everyone else to shut up about it and pretend this is normal.

    PS: Why do you shill for everything that is bad and wrong about the world, socks?

    [–]LordoftheFlies 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    PS: Why do you shill for everything that is bad and wrong about the world, socks?

    He's either a really dedicated troll, or so he's so full of misery and hate that he needs to see everything and everyone brought low, preferably lower than his current state, to feel even the dimmest flicker of satisfaction.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think it's that he's so lonely and sad, he craves the interaction. If he just came here and acted like a normal person, he might get zero engagement. By regurgitating past-due, liberal talking points in a space of rejects from liberal online spaces, he guarantees getting interaction. He doesn't care that it's negative - he likes self-harm.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    He's not socks.

    [–]Alienhunter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Historically it's been one of two percent. The rise of social media gender disphoria getting politicized and the recent massive change in demographics where we've seen a thousand fold increase in people getting treatment for gender disphoria along with a massive shift away from MTF to FTM becoming the most common, while utterly speculation at this point, I think we're looking at a future where nearly 50% of the people transitioning in the 2015-2025 decade or so will end up de-transitioning.

    Essentially it used to be that you had to pass a bunch of psychological tests to get vetted for whether or not you could get hormones or surgeries or not. Pre internet it basically was super rare. (Hence why people would try to bypass this and go to places like Thailand for sketchy surgeries).

    Now with the internet you've got whole groups of people sharing their tips on how to pass the vetting procedures as well as convincing themselves that their basic run of the mill teen depression / puberty woes actually are because they are trans. They basically give out hormones like candy now (and self treatment also happens a lot).

    And the barrier to entry for the surgeries is also extremely diminished.

    [–]handbananasrevenge 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Well that’s a giant fucking cope. She would take her old body back in a heartbeat if that was possible.

    You chose to treat your body like it’s a Lego set. No refunds.

    [–]BISH 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well that’s a giant fucking cope.

    Life isn't easy.

    Coping is sometimes the only option.

    The ones who refuse to cope, are often the ones who fall prey to this ideology.

    They believe modifying their body is a viable solution to the feelings they are having. Then they wake up, and everything is much worse than before.

    And coping is still the only option.

    [–]MythOfPrivilege 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Honestly, I think they're treating their bodies like a character generation screen in a video game. They think they can pick and choose attributes and make changes to things that in reality can't be changed.

    [–]clownworlddropout 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is legit just sad... gender ideology needs to be stopped.

    [–]LordoftheFlies 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

    TL;DR: I now have the respect and appreciation for my body that I didn't have before I chemically and surgically mutilated it while chasing the dragon of trans validation. Yay me!

    Edit: Statement edited to correctly, as pointed out by what is potentially another alt for the infamous Socks, reflect the actual content of the post, not an unsupported inference.

    [–]BISH 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    You deserve a pat on the back.

    Also, go download that video. ;-)

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Just out of curiosity, how did you get to "before I chemically and surgically mutilated it" from "I'm a little over 2 years off hrt"?

    You know what "surgery" is, right?

    [–]LordoftheFlies 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    there's no regrowth

    Note that she specifically says regrowth, as in a return of what was otherwise removed in some fashion. HRT doesn't remove breast tissue, surgery does.

    The inference is she got chopped.

    But, I'll admit, it is an inference. So I will amend my comment to the remove the reference to surgical mutilation. She still mutilated herself in pursuit of a false reality though.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Note that she specifically says regrowth

    I took that to mean no growth after stopping hrt.

    [–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Poor deluded fucker.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (177 children)

    This is why it's important to get a correct diagnosis before starting HRT.

    Which is why people get prescribed puberty blockers as an interim solution: A solution not without its side-effects, but at least it keeps people alive.

    They're getting it right in the vast majority of cases though. The proportion of people that want to de-transition is in the vicinity of 1%, and it looks to me like it's broadly improving with time.

    [–]jet199 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Puberty blockers are not an interim solution. They stop the brain maturing, drop IQ and 99% of those who are given puberty blockers go on to cross sex hormones (compared 5-15% if blockers aren't used). It's not just the body which changes during puberty, the brain aslo matures. They stop the brain maturing so a person is trapped with a child like brain and so can't make adult decisions.

    https://www.hormonesmatter.com/lupron-precocious-puberty-decades-regulatory-silence/

    [–]Musky[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    so a person is trapped with a child like brain and so can't make adult decisions.

    I feel like that anyways sometimes. Wanna come hide from the world with me in my pillow fort?

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      [–]Musky[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

      This is why it's important to get a correct diagnosis before starting HRT.

      I'm not sure gender identity theory is ever the correct path. It's highly questionable.

      Which is why people get prescribed puberty blockers as an interim solution

      Puberty blockers and HRT both cause irreversible changes. It's not theoretical or academic, the people of r/detrans are living proof of it.

      They're getting it right in the vast majority of cases though

      You should read r/detrans, that doesn't seem to be the case.

      The proportion of people that want to de-transition is in the vicinity of 1%

      The validity of the Dutch study is questionable. That's what you're basing most of your assumptions on, and with faulty information, you're coming to faulty conclusions. Garbage in, garbage out. You should read r/detrans, you may find it eye opening. Plenty of tales of people complaining of being brainwashed by the internet, misled by professionals and trans advocates, and pushed and rushed through gender transition. And they find the so called reversible steps don't end up being so reversible.

      [–]Vulptex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Gender identity theory would exclude HRT and any kind of biological intervention, because it posits that gender is purely a social construct. They're already calling people transphobic literally for transitioning.

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

      I'm not sure gender identity theory is ever the correct path. It's highly questionable.

      It's an empirical science. You get the best psychological outcomes if you allow trans people to live as the gender of the brain.

      Puberty blockers and HRT both cause irreversible changes.

      It's certainly less than perfect. But it's not as irreversible as gender reassignment surgery, nor as puberty itself.

      You should read r/detrans, that doesn't seem to be the case.

      No, r/detrams only shows that detransitioners exist, which is not contentious.

      They are about 1% of transitioners. Depending a bit on how hostile the society is: https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/

      The validity of the Dutch study is questionable.

      What are the main flaws in that study?

      In any case it's not the only one. The UK had a crisis where one of their clinics had between 6 and 7 percent detranisitionin, and concluded that the clinic wasn't meeting all the needs of their patients. A Swedish study found 2% has some kind of regret. Not all of those would have detransitioned.

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

      gender of the brain

      Where is evidence of this claim? What is "gender" of the brain? The brain of any body is the sex of that body. Any feelings in a man's brain are male feelings. To claim you can feel and know what the other sex feels is a stunning display of hubris and ignorance. To feel like you don't align with the sex stereotypes (gender) for your sex is normal. No one feels like they align with stupid social stereotypes. No one actually believes gender is what all members of that sex class are universally into. Who thinks all men are violent, emotional, aggressive, mechanically inclined, humorless, and all have the same likes of shitty beer, sportsball, and denigrating women. We are all different and none of us aligns to gender expectations. There is no such thing as "brain gender."

      [–]MythOfPrivilege 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Haha, they can't let that one go. They keep looking and take the fact that they can't find it as proof that they need to look harder.

      It's the same as with the "gay gene." They' can't accept that all of this is Nurture and not Nature, because if they accept that then they have to accept that all of this LGBTPQPWTF is preventable.

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's the same as with the "gay gene." They' can't accept that all of this is Nurture and not Nature,

      It's about half each.

      Separated twin studies show that if you've got a gay identical twin you're about 50% likely to be gay.

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          [–]Musky[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          It's an empirical science

          My thing is science, yours is more akin to religion.

          What are the main flaws in that study?

          Bias and shoddy methodology.

          In any case it's not the only one

          Even if those old studies were valid, and that's doubtful, it doesn't account for the fad-like sociogenic spreading of transgenderism during the last two years.

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Bias and shoddy methodology.

          What is shoddy about the methodology?

          What bias is present?

          [–]Musky[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          What is shoddy about the methodology?

          It's a self reported survey where they didn't bother to follow up with everyone.

          What bias is present?

          It was funded by trans advocates.

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          It's a self reported survey where they didn't bother to follow up with everyone.

          No it wasn't a survey, and it wasn't self reported.

          It was funded by trans advocates

          Oh, not a bias in the statistics then.

          Was there an external funding body? Who was it?

          [–]Musky[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          No it wasn't a survey, and it wasn't self reported.

          ... You didn't read it?

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Yes. It's from medical records, not surveys.

          What did you read?

          [–]brimshae 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (93 children)

          The proportion of people that want to de-transition is in the vicinity of 1%

          Now do the percentage of people that de-transition from being alive.

          [–]MythOfPrivilege 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          Their new pronouns are Was/Were.

          [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (90 children)

          The reason gender affirmation treatment has become the standard way of treating gender dysphoria, is because is has vastly better outcomes wrt mental health including suicidal ideation.

          Dealing with the mocking such as the sort of posts you see here a lot, does put a different kind of pressure on transgender people. So there are external influences that can affect depression and suicidal ideation after the fact.

          One of the downsides of parts of the world with heavy metal pollution in the water or less than ideal genetic variation in the residents.

          [–]jet199 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Nope the reason is political pressure. There's no evidence or stops suicide. There was never a risk of suicide for gender non conforming kids, the risk was middle aged men who transioned. The kids are just being used by the latter group.

          [–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (77 children)

          Gender affirmation is just denial. In order to have a real solution we need to have a real cure.

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (76 children)

          Gender affirmation is just denial.

          It has the best outcomes.

          In order to have a real solution we need to have a real cure.

          Until we can grow a new body that matches the brain and connect it up, we'll have to make do with what we can do that has the best outcomes.

          [–]jet199 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          What do you mean a body which matches the brain?

          Trans people don't have different brains to anyone else if their sex and sexuality.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

          The only brain difference between trans and everyone else is they are disassociated from their bodies.

          https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23230954-600-transgender-people-have-different-brain-activity-when-touched/

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Not all psychology can be measured with magnetoencephalography. Only rough activity of large areas of the brain.

          It's all in there though.

          [–]Musky[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I think they're talking about the fMRI data that is essentially useless garbage. Those scans detect brain activity in dead fish.

          [–]Questionable 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (48 children)

          It has the best outcomes.

          ???

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

          Compared with not transitioning.

          [–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (46 children)

          Yes. Did you see the link? Because I know what you are comparing it too. But the outcome is suicide. Is that your "best outcome" in your comparison?

          ???<------------- See that? That's a link. You click on it!

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

          Oh for fucks sake. Do you want to read your own fucking link, or do we need to go through which two groups it is comparing together?

          [–]Vulptex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          And currently the "best outcomes" are barely an improvement.

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Did you do any form of transitioning at any point vulptex?

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

          row a new body that matches the brain and connect it up

          So, your claim is they have the "wrong" soul in their body? This is a religious claim.

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

          Nope. Brain.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

          Wait, are you actually claiming they have a literal "wrong" brain in their body?! I must be misunderstanding you.

          [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          I'm saying the brain and body's gender are not aligned in patients who are transsexual or who have gender dysphoria.

          Sometimes the physical gender will also be indeterminate or intermediate between male and female.

          But the brain is another organ in which gender is exhibited, and sometimes that does match even when the physical gender appears clear. Hence "transsexual". You've heard the term?

          [–]SerpensInferna 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Okay I'll bite.

          What is gender?

          What is male gender?

          What is female gender?

          Hit me with anything other than stereotypes and I'll give you a listen.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          There is the body's sex. What is the brain gender? Again, just personality and interests, right? That's sexist to say people who like to wear makeup, be nurturing or like crafts must be female. It's sexist to say that all boundary violators, rapists and people who like wrestling must be men.

          Transsexual are the men who had autogynephila or were homosexual transsexuals living in extremely homophobic communities that were ostracizing to them so it was easier to live pretending to be female than be a clear target as a potentially homosexual male? I've heard of them. They never thought they were female, and having a fetish or trauma in no way makes them female or anything like women.

          [–]MythOfPrivilege 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Not traumatizing your kid, or allowing them to be traumatized, has the best outcomes. Participation in this modern gender hysteria is 100% preventable.

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Not traumatizing your kid, or allowing them to be traumatized, has the best outcomes.

          Including treating their gender dysphoria, if they have it.

          Participation in this modern gender hysteria is 100% preventable.

          Ignoring gender dysphoria, especially insisting that it doesn't exist traumatizes your kid.

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            [–]brimshae 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

            because is has vastly better outcomes wrt mental health including suicidal ideation.

            No it fucking doesn't. Cutting off healthy body parts has zero positive impact on someone's life other than a short term feel-good measure that will last as long as it takes for reality to set in.

            Serious question: Should people who think they'd live a better life without their legs be allowed to have their legs removed? Why or why not.

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

            No it fucking doesn't. Cutting off healthy body parts has zero positive impact on someone's life other than a short term feel-good measure that will last as long as it takes for reality to set in.

            There's been studies done, and you're mistaken about that.

            [–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that affirmation treatment does any good for gender dysphoria. The sheer amount of detransitioners alone proves that.

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Detransitioners are about 1%

            [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

            Stop gatekeeping you truscum bigot! The ONLY requirement for being trans is to say you're trans! If you seriously think someone needs gender dysphoria then you're full of internalized transphobia and are literally Hitler. DNI.

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

            The ONLY requirement for being trans is to say you're trans!

            You need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you will get HRT.

            There are criteria for that.

            From the DSM V:

            The DSM-5-TR defines gender dysphoria in children as a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, lasting at least 6 months, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be the first criterion):

            A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
            In boys (assigned gender), a strong preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong preference for wearing only typical masculine clothing and a strong resistance to the wearing of typical feminine clothing
            A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play
            A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender
            A strong preference for playmates of the other gender
            In boys (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically masculine toys, games, and activities and a strong avoidance of rough-and-tumble play; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically feminine toys, games, and activities
            A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy
            A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one’s experienced gender
            As with the diagnostic criteria for adolescents and adults, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

            The DSM V also has transgender people without the dysphoria. But in that case, you don't treat with HRT or surgery. You just go: That's interesting. Have a good life.

            [–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

            Only the last two criteria are actual gender dysphoria. The rest are literally just sexist stereotypes. Yes, this means it's nearly impossible to tell if someone is transsexual pre-puberty. But the media and big pharma can't have that, because it means they can't trans kids. And it also excludes transtrenders.

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

            That's the DSM 5, mate. As long as you've got 6, including the first one, that defines actual gender dysphoria.

            But the media and big pharma can't have that, because it means they can't trans kids.

            Pharma doesn't trans kids. Media didn't trans anyone.

            [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

            I don't care if it's in the DSM 100, it's blatantly dishonest and distorted by liberal gender theory. You have to be an NPC to not recognize how the last two criteria are fundamentally different from the rest. Something like a girl not liking pink or dresses does not indicate transness, and to think it does is actually sexist. And kids are impressionable, so once adults or other kids plant that idea in their head they're going to believe it until they end up detransitioning. Then go on to blame trans people for fucking up their lives and propagating sexism. It also downplays the severity of gender dysphoria by equating it with normal struggles with conformity and peer pressure.

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

            The definition of gender dysphoria is what it is. You can care or not, but the DSM V is the standard. And if you have all the others, you don't need the last two.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

            You do not need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you get HRT. The child of a friend walked right into Planned Parenthood with no such diagnosis and walked right out with hormones after one meeting.

            It is transphobic and bigoted to claim you need gender dysphoria to get HRT. You are transmedicalist gatekeeping.

            [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

            Yeah, they go through your medical history, and get a prescription on the first visit.

            It would not have been walk-in-walk-out. They would have been in there one or two hours.

            And they would not have been a child.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

            Why are you still arguing that minors don't have these procedures done?

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            I see you've misunderstood my comment. Let me explain again:

            Those planned parenthood facilities that prescribe HRT with "informed consent" rather than psychiatric evaluation cannot treat a minor, because a minor cannot give informed consent.

            They do give hrt to 16 and 17 year olds, but "The child of a friend walked right into Planned Parenthood with no such diagnosis and walked right out with hormones after one meeting" could not have happened. They would have needed to walk in with their parent or guardian who would have have to have signed the informed consent.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            They give hormones to people much younger than 16 or 17, so it's sort of odd that you would present that in a "oh well look they're barely minors anyway" tone, unless you are genuinely uninformed.

            But yes, for minors, the parents do need to sign a single form before the clinic sends them on their way.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            Nothing I said was a lie. Their child is 19. He walked in and walked out after one hour-long meeting. That's what I said. That doesn't refute your claim that you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you get cross-sex hormones, because that's what I was replying to, and you are still very wrong, because that is not true, and you're trying to deflect from that.

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Sure. I didn't suspect that you were lying.

            I was merely clarifying for the reader that although this was your friend's child, they would have had to have been an adult.

            I agree that planned parenthood will prescribe hrt from informed consent at since sites, rather than psychiatric evaluation. I didn't know that.

            [–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            You need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria before you will get HRT.

            By using the affirmation model, as you've been shoving down everyone's throats up there. What is the affirmation model? Someone says they are trans, and that means they are trans. Boom, done. What a rigorous process for a diagnosis.

            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            By using the affirmation model, as you've been shoving down everyone's throats up there.

            Have i?

            What's the affirmation model?

            Someone says they are trans, and that means they are trans. Boom, done. What a rigorous process for a diagnosis.

            Trans doesn't need a diagnosis, because it doesn't need treatment. Gender dysphoria needs treatment, and the diagnostic criteria are above.

            [–]MythOfPrivilege 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

            Big doubt on that one.

            but at least it keeps people alive.

            LOL, you're making it sound like something essential like chemotherapy.

            [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

            Chemotherapy also saves lives.

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