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[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

Men's rights always attracts bad elements that overtake the group dynamic. Just look at how MGTOW went from men helping men to incels hating women.

[–]EternalSunset 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you stand against feminism they are going to call you a misogynist woman-hater no matter what. Might as well earn the label.

[–]Mazurro[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

I mean, as an incel I agree with this point, the issue is that it's against all men not incels.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

If all men's right groups become primarily woman hating groups then we don't have anyone representing men's rights anyways is the thing. I don't know what the solution is.

[–]Blond_haired_child 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Strong men that know that hating women is not the way.

These groups have been subverted to keep us from having children. From growing up and learning that being an 'incel' is your own failings manifested in such an obvious way that women want nothing to do with you.

Be men. Not man children who aren't getting a thing they want.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

No u

[–]Blond_haired_child 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'm married and have three children.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–]Davethe_blank_ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

thank you for saying something to these young men. I have recently come to realize how much it is not their fault. It is our fault as parents of these young men that call themselves incels. But the task was herculean to keep them away from the narrative and agenda to make them weak by design.

But it is not too late. stop reaching for porn stars. Stop watching so much porn. I mean you gotta cum, but not 4 times a day to hentai. Then realize that no one gives a fuck about you. That means don't sell yourself short of having a wonderful person in your life just because of what others might think. And get some real talents. Translatable into the real world. Fix cars. Woodwork. Something. Then just be you. And find the girl that clicks with you. The term incel is an insult to friendly human existence, and to call themselves one will certainly exclude them from it.

[–]Mazurro[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You don't get the idea how it works, you missed effect with a causation lots of times there.

Then realize that no one gives a fuck about you. That means don't sell yourself short of having a wonderful person in your life just because of what others might think

Those are contradictions, unless you meant something different. If noone cares, why am I shamed and excluded for how I look? (which is always directly said).

And get some real talents. Translatable into the real world. Fix cars. Woodwork. Something.

I can code, I have a good job in this field, I know lots of stuff which is translatable to better up my living. It doesn't translate ATTRACTION because those aren't attraction features.

Then just be you.

Depressed ugly subhuman misanthrope? Definitely I should be myself. If anything, the fact that I DON'T show myself outside is doing better.

And find the girl that clicks with you.

It's the opposite, because I would be fine with most of people truly. However, not even one girl ever would choose to 'click' with an ugly guy.

The term incel is an insult to friendly human existence, and to call themselves one will certainly exclude them from it.

With this I somehow agree, calling yourself an incel is part of desensitization in order to feel a bit better, or rather less bad.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Look man going to be brutally honest here. Some men certainly have it easier than others in the looks department, but if you ever look in the mirror and think "I'd tap that" you're probably gay. Most straight men are going to be repulsed by their gross male physique and it's perfectly normal to be repulsed by yourself. I think most of the men in my friend group are ugly motherfuckers but some of them are constantly hooking up so go figure. I won't ever understand women's preferences so it's a waste of time to try.

So what you've gotta do is lie to yourself. And don't be yourself if yourself is someone that you don't like. You've got to change yourself into someone you do like. Apart from appearance. That's irrelevant largely.

Get your shit together, get social hobbies, get good hygiene, dress nice. Some girl will be attracted to you. Girls like weird ugly shit. Why do you think pugs exist as pets? I dated a girl that had a bunch of pet bugs she thought were cute. I'm like, hmm, but then again girls like dick and if that's not gay as fuck go figure ewww. I'll only ever be on the same page with lesbians on who is attractive or not. If it's alive and breathes there's a girl out there that will be infatuated with it. Just gotta be out and available and play the stupid social mating dance romance shit. Even the ugliest guy on earth will be casanova if he's got suave and that's a learned skill you can emulate.

Think why do chicks go for stuff like Phantom of the Opera, or Twilight, or that weird monster movie where she falls in love with the fish man. Chicks dig ugly dudes. Don't ask me why. They simply do. Most girls also think they are ugly. Most are right. But you don't have to tell them that.

[–]Mazurro[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Get your shit together, get social hobbies, get good hygiene, dress nice.

I already did that and I am relatively fine with my life as it is.

Some girl will be attracted to you.

She won't, because none of the things you mention is the actual attraction factor.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Men are a diverse group. If you get a club where men from all demographics come together the only thing they will all have in common is they are all not women. That's why joking about or even hating women creates the most noise, it's something they can all join in on if they want. Even in MGTOW they talk about women constantly, they never just go their own fucking way.

I guess they could just stop assuming men are the norm and think up some things which only effect men, not involving women, which they all have in common.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think part it is that bitching about how awful women are because they know no women want them anyways, is much, much easier than actually putting any effort in to meet someone, and safer because they don't risk being rejected.

One of the first parties I ever went to, all the guys were in one place and the women in another. I just went were the women were and talked to them all night while the guys had their sausage fest. I didn't get laid, didn't even cross my mind I had a shot, but it was a fun night.

I understood so little back then but instincts -- or whatever you want to call it -- kicked in. It isn't something I have to try to do. I don't understand why incels don't have that. Or why don't they ever meet anyone they just have chemistry with and things just happen.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The issue is the same issue that plagues most online groups. Eventually the more extreme and socially outcast voices will become the loudest simply because they are the only people who will sit around online constantly with nothing better to do. The larger a group gets the worst this effect becomes.

The basic idea of MGTOW is sound in the sense that, you need to learn to be happy with yourself first, then you can be happy with a woman afterwards. Or you can be happy alone if that's your thing. But the key is to take charge of your own life and your own fate and not spend your days thinking about how women are out to get you or how your ex screwed you over. Move on, go your own way, pursue your own goals. Fix yourself and eventually someone will want to go your way with you.

People that realize this spend their time on their work and their hobbies and family and don't spend time sitting around on the reddit forum constantly. Those that remain tend to just want to bitch about women all day everyday, they aren't going their own way and are just wallowing in the past and they definitely aren't going to be happy doing so.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The basic idea of MGTOW is sound in the sense that, you need to learn to be happy with yourself first, then you can be happy with a woman afterwards.

Indeed, and I rather liked the early MGTOW sub. It's nice to have camarderie among men and to help each other work through their issues.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it's nice to have that but you've got to have it in the real world rather than online. Online spaces by their very nature aren't great for socialization. It's a poor replacement for the real thing.

Male camaraderie is better achieved at the bar than the internet.

[–]asterias 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's Incels that are hated by women.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's a reason the authorities always clear crowds of young men hanging just around.

[–]DirewolfGhost 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It attacts elements from the male experience. There is nothing wrong about anything a man says. Every male experience is part of the male experience tapestry. Everything evil in the world is cause by women. Don't let the narrative fool you. There is a reason EVERY RELIGION IN HISTORY paints women the way they do.

[–]Beardbuster 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I agree with the men's rights thing in principle or theory, but in practice the guys who are actually into it are some serious weirdos, they're just as bad as their polar opposites to me. Can't stand 'em. A lot of them are literally obsessed with circumcision and foreskins too in an extremely gay way and I've had enough debate about both of those things to last a lifetime, it's incredibly bizarre.

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    By distancing themselves from foids

    I had joined MGTOW in the early days when there was just the occasional bitching and venting about women and it seemed understandable, but that disdain for women grew until it was a dominant theme of the sub and I checked out.

    As If this is a bad thing

    What are you going to do without a woman besides grow old alone, and die unloved and childless. What are you going to fill your days with, work, internet forums and video games? Fun though that may be, I doubt anyone is going to regret not doing those things more on their deathbed.

    I just woke up briefly (I hope) to have a smoke and use the restroom, now I'm going to go back to bed and cuddle with the wife. It is way better than sleeping alone, and I think all that's stopping y'all from having companionship is your mentality.

    Although I concede women seem naturally drawn to me, I might be playing on easy mode here.

    [–]DirewolfGhost 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Women hate women. When women start hating men and band together, they are by definition a hate group, because they don't love anything human.

    All feminists are evil.

    [–]TarBaby 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Feminists are SJWs, and all SJWs are evil.

    [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Mm

    [–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Never forget that some subreddits required skin photos as proof of not being white.