Do porn and the men who claim to support you will destroy your future

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[–]StillLessons 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yet another place where liberal orthodoxy is fighting the tide. For 60 years now, the official message has been "sex work is okay. It's just another way of expressing ourselves." This construct is in contrast to how most societies and individuals have treated sexual leniency for thousands of years. So all those thousands of years of society limiting and "repressing" extreme sexual leniency must be wrong, because now we're so enlightened?

OR perhaps those societies were right, and for the past 60 years, our own has gotten badly off track.

The point is that for all the explicit and heavy-handed messaging to the contrary from our "societal influencers" (=self absorbed elite), most people still see a person trading sex for money as making an unacceptable equivalence. Our individual instinct (the motivation of the two males in this exchange) is usually to treat sluts as sluts, not to celebrate them. There are some instincts which are powerful enough to resist any quantity of official messaging.

Why? Because societies that break this set of rules fall apart (look at the end of the Roman empire).

We are witnessing a massive die-off of those who were the population of "western civilization" because we didn't realize that sexual mores are there for a reason. You can't just let "everyone be okay" without consequences. The current set of consequences is explicit lack of population replacement (people aren't having kids and forming families), exacerbated now by even more explicit literal castration and sexual mutilation (trans movement). We're in an ugly phase in our current society. This is not the direction societies move during their growth. They move this way as they collapse.

[–]weavilsatemyface 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This construct is in contrast to how most societies and individuals have treated sexual leniency for thousands of years.

When you say "most", you actually mean "a small minority". Ancient Rome was full of pornography, including porn mosaics in full public view. Ancient Indians wrote the karma sutra. Most civilizations and societies have treated the phallus (erect dick) as almost holy. The first thing that human beings made when they discovered how to make pottery was big tittied, wide-hipped, thicc naked women.

Sexual attitudes are dominated by fashion, and like fashion, they come and go. Periods of sexual freedom are followed by periods of sexual repression, when the dried-up cobweb-cunted old women and limp-dicked old-men and gammas who couldn't score a root in a brothel with a fistful of fifties manage to indoctrinate the younger generation about how their sexual desires are harmful and about how awful it is to be getting plentiful sex. "I'm not getting any, so nobody else should either."

And let's not forget the perverts (rich old men and priests) who are all about "nobody else should get any, so I'll have my pick of virgins to use and abuse".

So all those thousands of years of society limiting and "repressing" extreme sexual leniency must be wrong, because now we're so enlightened?

Pretty much.

I know how shocking it might be to realize that those same primitive and savage societies that mutilate girls and women to stop them having sexual pleasure, and that think that all deaths are caused by witchcraft, that raping babies will cure disease, that widow-burning is sacred, that crippling your girl babies by breaking their toes and binding them into a ball makes them "beautiful", and that god will send you to burn in hell forever if a man sees your face might be wrong about sex too.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I admit, you've got me thinking. Your response to the first clip makes a good point. The amount of erotic statuary and painting throughout the historical record of countless societies cannot be ignored. That begs the question, however, of whether these statues were referring to women being sluts or to men coercing/forcing women into roles in patriarchal societies? You're right. The concept of societies "repressing" sexuality looks absurd in the face of this record. I concede your point.

As to your response suggesting we are enlightened relative to these earlier societies, however, I still reject this. Fine, so there was a lot of insane sex going on in those past societies just like now. Having just convinced me of that, you have a contradiction claiming that today's similar sexual insanity is somehow more enlightened than that of earlier groups. The details may have changed, but the basic insanity is the same in both cases.

Putting the two together brings us around to "nothing new under the sun". Sexual insanity is part of the human condition, distracting us from the more useful and mundane activities of actually making sure the population is protected, clothed, and fed. Moving back into our own culture, in the earlier years of the US (the puritan phase), the sexual repression is nicely correlated with a hell of a productive period in our history. Since WWII (maybe the 20s? pick your date...), the changing of the standard woman's role (with the usual exception of prostitution) from resisting that kind of sexual debauchery to celebrating it alongside the horny guys hasn't advanced our society one millimeter, and it can be argued it's a central piece of the disintegration we are witnessing.

Overall, thanks for the comment. It's nice to have a person absolutely disagree with me in a way that makes me re-think my original post so thoroughly. I appreciate it. Cheers.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sexual insanity is part of the human condition, distracting us from the more useful and mundane activities

Oh please. The desire to be attract potential mates is one of the strongest drivers in humans to groom themselves and create wealth and success. Its only a little bit of an exaggeration to say that people built civilization so they had somewhere comfortable to shag.

in the earlier years of the US (the puritan phase), the sexual repression is nicely correlated with a hell of a productive period in our history.

That's pretty much the opposite of what happened. The most productive periods in US history were also the least repressive.

the changing of the standard woman's role

The "standard woman's role" for pretty much all of history, from ancient Greece to medieval Europe, was that pretty much everyone agreed women and men were equally lustful, or even that women were more lustful than men. It wasn't until the 18th and 19th century did the idea of women not wanting sex became mainstream, and then in the Victorian and post-Victorian early 20th century it went viral.

so there was a lot of insane sex going on in those past societies just like now. Having just convinced me of that, you have a contradiction claiming that today's similar sexual insanity is somehow more enlightened than that of earlier groups. ... Sexual insanity is part of the human condition ... sexual debauchery ... [emphasis added]

Jeez mate, you sound like me at 18 when I was railing against the sluts who were spreading their legs for every Tom Dick and Harry ("but not me..."). Pure, 100% sour grapes. Well, that and a bit of being terrified of rejection.

Take it from me, you need to get laid. If you can't pull some nice girl who'll let you pork her, save your paper round money and hire a professional. You'll be a lot more relaxed about other people having sex.

Yes yes yes, I know, we all want a loving romantic relationship with some gorgeous women who is a wild cat in bed and absolutely adores us. And I want a four course banquet made by Alain Ducasse, but I'll settle for a toasted cheese sanga when I'm hungry. There's no shame in it.

There's a lot of insanity in the 2022, but people fucking each other is not part of it.

[–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Take it from me, you need to get laid. If you can't pull some nice girl who'll let you pork her, save your paper round money and hire a professional. You'll be a lot more relaxed about other people having sex.

You've got the wrong guy. I'm happily married to a hot female. Our sex life is great.

Earlier in my life, I was miserable and I hired professionals. It's precisely the difference between that experience and my current marriage that shapes the perspective you have misperceived. I now know from experience what a healthy sexual world can look like and I want to encourage that for all of us. I look around and I see a lot of very unhappy people. Simultaneously I see hookup culture being promoted and now being the norm for sexual activity for the young generation. Free sex doesn't seem to be leading to happiness. It looks to me to be the opposite.

Interestingly, when I was in my younger professional-hiring phase, I enthusiastically defended precisely the argument you are making. I've argued before what you are arguing here. I was extremely unhappy during that phase of my life. Maybe that's just me. I hope so. I hope you are happy living however you want to live. Perhaps my experience is unusual. I sometimes think maybe I'm a strange form of autistic, with a range of unusual emotional responses. But then I look at the advice given by contemplative men and women throughout history, and they all offer the same advice I am offering here.

It's not that I find there to be some moral "Go to Heaven" to be enforced. I don't believe in that model at all. I just don't think the sexual free-for-all actually makes people happy. I think it makes us precisely the opposite. So I recommend the opposite of the direction our society is leaning. Do people seem sexually happy and satisfied to you? Why do you think there is a trans movement? Because the system as it has developed over the past 50 years has people - men and women both - entirely fucked up at this point. I want that to stop, for all of our sakes.