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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The 'media' isn't one thing. I don't have to prove anything. I note that the argument about 1st term development is an old, reliable argument with a scientific basis.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So were babies and dogs not being able to understand language. Both were proven false assumptions. As was the ability to recognize yourself in the mirror being indicative of self-awareness. What if you've never seen yourself before? Or don't know what a mirror is?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A 5 cm, 18 g fetus with minimal brain stem activity and no consciousness at 11 weeks doesn't understand anything. After that, the fetus develops consciousness.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It turns out that bees with pebble-sized brains can remember and recognize human faces. We never know when a fetus becomes conscious for the first time.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

suppose we could make up analogies, much like the medieval scholastic tradition