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[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Looks like the supreme court disagrees with you about which humans are the ethical ones.

The 1971-73 Supreme Court agreed obviously with RvW, as do I. The current Supreme Court is illegitimate, because it was packed with 3 GOP hacks by McConnell, adding to the 3 other GOP hacks who are there, and thus approved of Texas' recent abusive abortion law. That was the beginning of the end of RvW. It's unethical on several levels.

Some people would argue women don't have the right to kill their husbands unborn children.

The husband does not own a 1st trimester 5 cm, 18 g, fetus that has no consciousness, nor does he own the mother or the later stages of the fetus. The fetus is part of the mother's body. The mother has a right to look after her own safety, and to abort a fetus within the first trimester.

How do you suggest we determine ethics in a democracy?

Disband the electoral college, make gerrymandering illegal (again), make lobbying illegal (it's a corrupt industry), separate church and state (again), overturn the Citizens United decision, require term limits for all politicians to 2 terms max, require everyone to vote, make voting day a holiday, require the Fairness Doctrine (again), enforce penalties for politicians who lie to the public, and much more, but regarding abortion, provide free health care for women in their first trimester of pregnancy, require them at that time to see a free doctor, and the option to abort the fetus if necessary within that period, but not thereafter. Regarding ethics in democracy more generally, remind people to avoid emotivism, to examine their options carefully, and to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Virtue .

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

require them at that time to see a free doctor, and the option to abort the fetus if necessary within that period but not thereafter.

So would you agree with a ban on late term abortion if this free doctor option system you described were in place where?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's part of what I've written. If however the life of the woman is in danger, a doctor could advise on an abortion after the 1st term if absolutely necessary. Other countries do this.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

For me, abortion is a men's right's issue. Married women have no right to abort their husbands baby, according to ethical humans.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Possession is nine-tenths of the law

A husband doesn't own the wife or the fetus, it's as simple as that. If however you bought your wife and/or baby in Afghanistan, you might own them. But in the US, we're not that fucked up (yet, if the GOP have their way).

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I disagree, I think married men should have a say in whether their unborn children are aborted. Until some sort of men's right's law is in place, I will support the court on this one. Although my heart aches for the women stuck with babies from black man sex.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Married men certainly have a 'say' in the process. They're in fact needed more at that time than at some other times in the marriage. But the percentage of the decision is much more the wife's than the husband's, until husbands are able to get a uterus, or Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome, whichever comes first.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't get too worried it. No way Roe v. Wade actually gets overturned. This whole leak thing looks fishy. Probably incomplete. Final draft will keep RvW intact is my bet.