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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

while people should tolerate a game of pretend

Fuck no dude. That fucks with my head to see a dog and everyone calls it a cat. That's gaslighting 1984 style.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

u/jet199 you familiar with the MRI bug of that time? Software error, not sure MRI data from that period is trustworthy. https://www.sciencealert.com/a-bug-in-fmri-software-could-invalidate-decades-of-brain-research-scientists-discover

[–]Jackalope 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

while people should tolerate a game of pretend Fuck no dude. That fucks with my head to see a dog and everyone calls it a cat. That's gaslighting 1984 style.

I hear what you are saying, and I think I may not have represented my position as I intended to. I do NOT agree with the compelled use of false/make believe pronouns, and think this is forcing participation in their delusions rather than tolerance of them.

When I say tolerance, what I mean is that I don't desire to legislate against people mutilating their own bodies - it's their body, and I don't see how anyone else has their rights violated by this. I also have no desire to limit the rights of trans people to gain employment or housing or any other form of discrimination. To me however, this does NOT mean that we need to participate in their game.

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that I don't desire to legislate against people mutilating their own bodies

You want doctors and pharmaceutical companies to benefit from maiming and disfiguring confused and mentally ill children?

There's two types of trans, people with Gender Identify Syndrome (just made that up, I think, but it fits) who are confused for various reasons, and those for whom its a kink, AGP. Half those dudes tend to be gay, and the other half pedos. It seems like a more successful stealth NAMBLA campaign than ever before.

I don't want to be forced to hire someone with a mental illness that very well may affect business. I don't want to be forced to have to pretend a male boss is a woman. Those are the "rights" trans people want.

tolerance

What's even worse is this condition is sociogenic (I didn't make that one up). It spreads like a contagion. Another one of my niece's friends, a gay dude, is doing the whole pronoun thing now. It's so fucking cringey. Sometimes you need someone to pull you aside and let you know you're being an idiot.

[–]Jackalope 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You want doctors and pharmaceutical companies to benefit from maiming and disfiguring confused and mentally ill children?

No, I wouldn't go that far, I meant for adults. If Bruce Jenner wants to mutilate his genitals and call himself Caitlyn, I think he is insane, but would not want to legislate against it. This is out of self-interest more than anything, as I don't want people making similar rules about my body like saying I can't smoke weed, or have to get a mRNA vaccine. I think to ensure that bodily autonomy is protected, we need to protect it even when we don't agree with what people want to do. I'll take Caitlyn Jenner and me being able to smoke weed and refuse vaccines, over Bruce Jenner and me having my rights restricted.

I don't want to be forced to hire someone with a mental illness that very well may affect business. I don't want to be forced to have to pretend a male boss is a woman. Those are the "rights" trans people want

Fair enough, I can see your point if the person is in a customer facing job. You should not be forced to hire that person. A job like mine typing code into a computer from home though, I don't think there is a good reason to discriminate against anyone. I'll admit this is maybe not as simple as I'd like, as you raise a good point. Also, again agree with your point about the boss, as I've said, I don't think tolerance includes us participating in this delusion.

What's even worse is this condition is sociogenic (I didn't make that one up). It spreads like a contagion. Another one of my niece's friends, a gay dude, is doing the whole pronoun thing now. It's so fucking cringey. Sometimes you need someone to pull you aside and let you know you're being an idiot.

Yes I think it can be. I have seen plenty of references of this being the case. However, there are referenced examples of females in tribal African societies taking on a male role, and even a wife, with the tribe going along with the game of pretend. That is not to say that this condition can not spread sociologically as well, as there is clear evidence that it can, as you say.