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[–]AXXA 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

/u/NoMorePatriarchy /u/Jackalope /u/BossBrick I'm following up on our earlier discussion. This person is an example of a man that is invading women's spaces. He's a biological man that is showing great disrespect to women. He shouldn't even be posting on the 2X sub in the first place. His stated desire to shower with women is a sexual perversion. It's not at all about how he identifies but is instead about invading women's privacy. His response to being told this shows that he is delusional. He doesn't respect women so I don't respect him.

[–]Jackalope 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

His stated desire to shower with women is a sexual perversion.

It's not at all about how he identifies but is instead about invading women's privacy.

I suspect you might be right about this person, but it's hard to screen for motivation, and would this really make a difference to the women who have to shower with someone who was born as a man, and do not hold the same beliefs about the fluidity of gender?

What about a woman who is actually a woman, but is a lesbian, and desires to shower out of lust as well?

To me this is a much larger issue. There is a difference between tolerating something and being forced to participate in it, and I think that is what makes this problematic. This person is not actually a woman in the strict biological sense, and while people should tolerate a game of pretend, they should not be forced to participate in one. If society is going to have separate showers for males and females, people using those showers ought to be able to have the expectation that there will be only males/females in the shower, and should not be forced to give up that right. Otherwise it would make more sense to just have unisex showers and bathrooms, if we are all so enlightened now that we no longer care about this.

[–]jet199 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

90% of trans women have autogynephilia.

It's not hard to screen for, it's the norm in trans males.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-elephant-in-the-room?s=r

The only trans males who don't have this are gay, so don't want to hang around with women in the first place.

And yes, it's proven.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

[–]Jackalope 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay, it seems like there is something to what you are saying about the motivation here. What about gay people in showers though? They are the correct gender, but could have the same motivation as this person for showering in a public locker room. Is the problem here that they are a man showering in the women's room, or any person showering in the room with a sexual motivation?

To me this is about expectation. I expect in a mens shower, that no women would be there, but would make no such assumptions about a gay person not being in the shower.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The vast majority of people are heterosexual, so it will drastically reduce the risk.

[–]spicebutton 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Are you going to acknowledge that he's a straight man, a heterosexual male such as yourself? And that he identifies as a lesbian? Are you going to acknowledge that 90% of these guys are straight guys such as yourself?

[–]Jackalope 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Are you going to acknowledge that he's a straight man, a heterosexual male such as yourself? And that he identifies as a lesbian? Are you going to acknowledge that 90% of these guys are straight guys such as yourself?

I have no idea. I also don't think it matters, they aren't women, so they shouldn't be showering in the women's room.

[–]spicebutton 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think we both understand that it matters a great deal. These people arent doing this because theyre gay. Over 90% of "trans" people tend to be heterosexual men such as yourself who are still attracted to women without an atom's worth of homosexuality within them.

This isnt some sort of new liberal ideology. Liberalism might create a permissive space to encourage this because liberals are "tolerant", but what traumatizes these men to do this is the psychotic ideology of heterosexualism that regulates how heterosexuals practice their gender identity.

Work on fixing that instead of looking for scapegoats. This has been going on since the 70's.

There are actual videos of these straight men who identify as "lesbians" beating gays and lesbians up at pride parades for not accepting them. Maybe show some sympathy towards heterosexual males and help them out so they dont turn out this way.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Unfortunately, this fetish usually starts when they are teenagers stealing their mother's or sister's underwear. What can you do you to stop it if no one knows it's happening. Personal choice is a factor here.

Also most of these guys have personality disorders. It's not just their environment, they have internal issues as well. If it wasn't dressing up as a woman it would likely be another fetish.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301205/

[–]spicebutton 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s heterosexualism. Of course heterosexuality is real but the ideology they attach to their sexuality to viciously regulate it leads to this.

These people are so easily defeated by trans rights activists because they want to pretend it’s just misogyny but then ignore that there’s an army of heterosexual women doing the same thing.

Personal choice is a factor. But it’s only a factor in choosing to express it or not.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

It's a little bit insulting to straight men to cling to that line of argument IMO. I honestly suspect this person would have sex with a lot of different, uh... entities.

[–]spicebutton 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's a heterosexual male. Again, over 90% of these guys are heterosexual males. They dont have a molecule or even an atom's worth of homosexual attraction. They'd vomit at the thought of gay sex and theyre after women exclusively. This person is a straight male and this is what conservatism is hiding under the carpet. All liberalism does is create spaces where they allow these people to express themselves, and it's too kind and accommodating and gives permission for these people to become abusive.

Heterosexuality is real, but heterosexuality has an ideology attached to it. It's called heterosexualism. And this is what heterosexualism does to these people. The heterosexual mind is irredeemably reformed because of the way they grow up. You think gays are weird, just look at what these people act like when given the permission to be "free".

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Clearly these men who do this are fixated on the female body. I doubt 90% of them are solely interested in sexual contact with women, but I don't know that, and I also wouldn't conflate them with gay men.

Some of them probably are homosexually inclined men who'd rather be "trans" than "gay." It's new and hip and you get drugs. Is that not heterosexualism? It's homosexual erasure.

When it comes to using the word "straight" I think we have very different views. To you it almost seems to be a slur, but to me it's more like a title that comes from right conduct. I don't subscribe to this idea that people are born one way or the other and that a man who contemplates intimate contact with another man is irredeemably "gay." No, he has a choice in what he does, and he "is" what God made him: a man, designed to be with a woman, but capable of being tempted by disorder and expediency.

[–]spicebutton 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

...Theyre straight and want to fuck women.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think people who want to "fuck women" take estrogen. Those things are contradictory. You can't fuck women with a limp, atrophied little girl-penis.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

while people should tolerate a game of pretend

Fuck no dude. That fucks with my head to see a dog and everyone calls it a cat. That's gaslighting 1984 style.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

u/jet199 you familiar with the MRI bug of that time? Software error, not sure MRI data from that period is trustworthy. https://www.sciencealert.com/a-bug-in-fmri-software-could-invalidate-decades-of-brain-research-scientists-discover

[–]Jackalope 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

while people should tolerate a game of pretend Fuck no dude. That fucks with my head to see a dog and everyone calls it a cat. That's gaslighting 1984 style.

I hear what you are saying, and I think I may not have represented my position as I intended to. I do NOT agree with the compelled use of false/make believe pronouns, and think this is forcing participation in their delusions rather than tolerance of them.

When I say tolerance, what I mean is that I don't desire to legislate against people mutilating their own bodies - it's their body, and I don't see how anyone else has their rights violated by this. I also have no desire to limit the rights of trans people to gain employment or housing or any other form of discrimination. To me however, this does NOT mean that we need to participate in their game.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

that I don't desire to legislate against people mutilating their own bodies

You want doctors and pharmaceutical companies to benefit from maiming and disfiguring confused and mentally ill children?

There's two types of trans, people with Gender Identify Syndrome (just made that up, I think, but it fits) who are confused for various reasons, and those for whom its a kink, AGP. Half those dudes tend to be gay, and the other half pedos. It seems like a more successful stealth NAMBLA campaign than ever before.

I don't want to be forced to hire someone with a mental illness that very well may affect business. I don't want to be forced to have to pretend a male boss is a woman. Those are the "rights" trans people want.

tolerance

What's even worse is this condition is sociogenic (I didn't make that one up). It spreads like a contagion. Another one of my niece's friends, a gay dude, is doing the whole pronoun thing now. It's so fucking cringey. Sometimes you need someone to pull you aside and let you know you're being an idiot.

[–]Jackalope 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You want doctors and pharmaceutical companies to benefit from maiming and disfiguring confused and mentally ill children?

No, I wouldn't go that far, I meant for adults. If Bruce Jenner wants to mutilate his genitals and call himself Caitlyn, I think he is insane, but would not want to legislate against it. This is out of self-interest more than anything, as I don't want people making similar rules about my body like saying I can't smoke weed, or have to get a mRNA vaccine. I think to ensure that bodily autonomy is protected, we need to protect it even when we don't agree with what people want to do. I'll take Caitlyn Jenner and me being able to smoke weed and refuse vaccines, over Bruce Jenner and me having my rights restricted.

I don't want to be forced to hire someone with a mental illness that very well may affect business. I don't want to be forced to have to pretend a male boss is a woman. Those are the "rights" trans people want

Fair enough, I can see your point if the person is in a customer facing job. You should not be forced to hire that person. A job like mine typing code into a computer from home though, I don't think there is a good reason to discriminate against anyone. I'll admit this is maybe not as simple as I'd like, as you raise a good point. Also, again agree with your point about the boss, as I've said, I don't think tolerance includes us participating in this delusion.

What's even worse is this condition is sociogenic (I didn't make that one up). It spreads like a contagion. Another one of my niece's friends, a gay dude, is doing the whole pronoun thing now. It's so fucking cringey. Sometimes you need someone to pull you aside and let you know you're being an idiot.

Yes I think it can be. I have seen plenty of references of this being the case. However, there are referenced examples of females in tribal African societies taking on a male role, and even a wife, with the tribe going along with the game of pretend. That is not to say that this condition can not spread sociologically as well, as there is clear evidence that it can, as you say.