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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It does sound like bullshit, but they have the highest success rates outside of new school treatments like psychedelics. Other groups have had 75 or 100 years to beat AA, but they have not.

[–]humancorpse[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

AA is successful because AA says it is successful. AA claims to not be a religion because if it were a religion the treatment centers that use the AA big book as the core of it's "treatment" of a "disease" couldnt submit a bill to insurance companies for "religious services rendered".

Treatment centers can not submit bills to insurance claims for religious services, but it can submit bills to insurance for treatment of a disease.

many think that the success of AA can not be measured because it is anonymous and records are not kept, but i suggest that all you have to do is to attend a few of their meetings and take note of how many people are there in their first thirty days and how many are six months or less etc etc.

most people that attend AA leave soon after because they realize that it is a room full of religious loons.

also, a not so well known bit of trivia is that there are many people that attend AA that NEVER DRANK yet they believe they are really alcoholics.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

However, outpatients who received 12-step facilitation were more likely to remain completely abstinent in the year following treatment than outpatients who received the other treatments.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071029204522/http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/NewsReleases/match.htm

AA does have a huge first-mover advantage, I'll concede that*

[–]humancorpse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, if you spend 50k$ to get locked in a room for a month you are more look likely to stop drinking.

Says AA..

Who do you think runs those treatment hospitals?

Who do you think wrote that article?