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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (71 children)

Why pick on me? I didn't say they're "great"; I wrote that they are safe and have helped reduce the spread of COVID19, thereby ending the lockdowns, so that the 99% can get back to work. Are they "great"? No. Moreover, we'll see other SARS viruses, as we've seen in the past. It's important that they aren't allowed to spread and mutate, which is why the vaccines are so important, as they latch onto infected cells and thereby help create antibodies without the patient becoming seriously ill in the process. Many of those who've had COVID are still suffering, whereas others are relatively OK. Avoiding serious illness is important for one's health. The vaccines - as we know now - are not dangerous, though one of the vaccines is now studied for potential blood clot problems in a handful of people. (I also appreciate that writing any of this on Saidit will only result in attacks against me, with all kinds of insults and unusual arguments. But someone should offer additional information here, just as they should also post additional information [with reasonable evidence] on /r/conspiracy without being banned - and I do see a lot of anti-vax posts there - and at the various ban evasion subs on Reddit, especially those supporting Trump.)

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

I have a similar opinion, I myself got vaccinated and had no issues... though I understand anyone who has concerns and doesn't want to get vaccinated.

In my country Czechia millions were vaccinated and if they all had some serious side effects I'd say we'd know about it. For most it appears to be safe.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

I also think you are just lucky, and that there are lots of undiagnosed issues with your peers, if not with you as well.

The very fact that the GovCorp has paid shills spending all day every day on little websites like Saidit shilling for the vaccine and the vaccine pass should prove that there is something malignant with these vaccines.

You are guinea pigs. If it's not a medical experiment, then it's a social one. I think it's both though.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

You are guinea pigs. If it's not a medical experiment, then it's a social one. I think it's both though.

I mean it could be if the covid thing was a conspiracy from the start.

To me so far the whole things looks like a lot of incompetence.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Incompetence? I might agree, but only because the central planners are indeed incompetent.

But this isn't some accidental situation that naturally occured. It's a planned crash.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

It's a planned crash.

Who's benefiting from the crash? China where it originated and which is trying badly to blame someone else?

Unless there's something going on that even China doesn't know about.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The insanely rich globalists. They come in all colors. There are Chinese in this group, but I don't think they care about China.

You do realize how much better off some of these people are ever since the start of the pandemic, right?, and you think they got this way through incompetence?

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The insanely rich globalists.

Would it really be worth releasing a deadly virus just to get more money? That would be like from some super villain movie. Not to mention that their own people (family) could die as well, either from the virus or the vaccine.

The "population reduction" theory sounds more believable than this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

they print money from nothing but what is harder for them to get is power, but a lot of times people discus this topic using money and power interchangeably.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

here inflation is going through the roof, money is more worthless each day ;)

I guess the power argument could work, but it still seems far fetched. Let's see in a couple of years what happens.

[–]Zvezda 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It is worrying, I hope the CIA leave a random file somewhere for someone to find like they did with Tonkin! :))

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If it's not a medical experiment, then it's a social one.

In which case you're a guinea pig too.

I think it's both though.

Big experiment. 6.52 billion doeses have been administered. Surely a few million would be enough to measure medical outcomes.

What outcomes do you think they're looking for?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You and your bosses can fuck themselves, how about that?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

You may have had the saline placebo, you may have "good" genetics, you likely missed the vein, you may die in a few months or year. NOT everyone is as lucky as you.

NONE of this COVID hysteria is worth this.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Imagine a vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it.

I didn't have to be threatened to take it. I can see why medical professionals and service providers should not be able to work without the vaccination, unless they're medically unable to get it.

For a disease so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.

The reason you have to be tested is that you're infectious for about a week and a half before you're symptomatic.

Having said that, lots of deadly diseases have carriers that are not symptomatic: Including covid-19. Typhoid Mary was a famous unsymptomatic carrier of typhoid.

[–]mahavishnunj 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I can see why medical professionals and service providers should not be able to work without the vaccination

wow. as usual with this place, cant decide if this is funny or sad.

The reason you have to be tested is that you're infections for about a week and a half before you're symptomatic.

not sure what language this sentence is supposed to be in. did your translate program fail on this one?

Typhoid Mary was a famous unsymptomatic carrier of typhoid.

shes also famous for possibly having nothing to do with it at all. you dont do much research on your bullshit do you?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

not sure what language this sentence is supposed to be in.

Good point. "Infections" should have been "infectious".

did your translate program fail on this one?

If you can't pass a sentence with one letter wrong, you must have a lot of trouble with accents. Do you have a lot of trouble understanding spoken English?

shes also famous for possibly having nothing to do with it at all.

I didn't know that. Her wiki page doesn't mention that. Do you have a source I could read?

you dont do much research on your bullshit do you?

The point is asymptomatic carriers exist. I the case of COVID-19, that's everyone in their first week of infection.

[–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you have a lot of trouble understanding spoken English?

do you have trouble understanding the irony here?

Do you have a source I could read?

are you capable of using the internet aside from attempting to illiterately spewing bullshit? we both know the answer to that.

I the case of COVID-19, that's everyone in their first week of infection.

interesting take doctor dumbass. theres just as much evidence to the contrary, if not more. also, remember that thing earlier about coherent sentences?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

are you capable of using the internet aside from attempting to illiterately spewing bullshit?

Yes. I didn't find anything to confirm your call.

I guess from your defensiveness you couldn't either?

You'd get more respect by admitting that you'd mis-remembered.

theres just as much evidence to the contrary, if not more.

I guess you can't point to any of that evidence either.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

BULLSHIT.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

saline placebo

The vaccination center I got the shot in was run by our army, so I hope everything was okay there. I had a really good feeling about the place, the whole thing looked really professional.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

In a depopulation war of disinfo and lies, when you say "the whole thing looked really professional" it proves you're thinking superficially, not properly, about the real deeper threats and judging the pretty nice book cover of tyranny should be the least of your concerns. How many suckers are they going to lure to their deaths if you have a bad feeling about this?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I wrote that they are safe and have helped reduce the spread of COVID19,

WHEN WILL YOU STOP LYING?!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

oh no! Not the HEADER font!

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

that one is not low pyramid, although it's not particularly constructive either

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll try not to be sarcastic to those who accuse me of constantly lying.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

they are safe

safe [sāf] ADJECTIVE

protected from or not exposed to danger or risk

Better wording would be "relatively safe".

[–]mahavishnunj 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I didn't say they're "great"; I wrote that they are safe

The vaccines - as we know now - are not dangerous

my next door neighbor who can still barely stand after 2 months of her first jab might disagree with this nonsense. if you dont remember the last time you posted this bullshit, she was in the ICU for a week after the jab. still has blood clots in both legs so bad that she cant even have her dog back, because she cant get up to take it out.

I also appreciate that writing any of this on Saidit will only result in attacks against me

as it should. btw, i live in a rural area. i know this is general, and does not apply everywhere, but ive experienced 2 serious covid cases(one of which being myself), and 2 serious reactions to the non-vaccines. the 2 of us that just got through it are doing way better than the 2 who got the shots.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

my next door neighbor who can still barely stand after 2 months of her first jab might disagree with this nonsense.

They're not as dangerous as COVID-19.

TTS affects 2-3 people per 100,000 vaccinated.

Long covid affects about 1/3rd of people infected, and death affects about 1,000-2,000 for every 100,000 infected in the first world.

[–]mahavishnunj 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're not as dangerous as COVID-19.

i had it last december. it sucked beyond belief. i can walk. my neighbor cannot. also, your numbers are complete bullshit.

[–]humancorpse[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

It's ok /u/socks , we love you.. it's all good.

You are ok. For a poofter.

Two not so well known poofters, The Kray Brothers.

Video: The Krays

https://youtu.be/8zNkmlf9G90

enjoy the video.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

It's ok /u/socks , we love you.. it's all good.

NONE of these are true.

You may be new here, so you need to recognize socks is sealioning and the most prolific misinfo agent on here.

[–]humancorpse[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

mr carswell, let me ask you a question, if you dont mind.. do i look like your bitch? Have you been lead to believe that i need you or anyone else to pick my friends for me?

i can be friendly, but i want to assure you that i am not your friend.

just fyi, i find that mr /u/socks is a man with an opinion and i respect him for handling himself as he does.

with all respect, of course.

video: sylvester - you make me feel mighty real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgFk-tLr6eo

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

do i look like your bitch?

You seem like one sometimes, but I won't know for sure until I see your photo. Feel free to share some of that gold star lesbian action. Hi-def video preferred, if you don't mind, thank you.

You should know socks is SaidIt's most prolific sealioning big pharma shilling authoritarian disinfo agent of disruption. He has some good discussions among his evil doing. Let me know when you realize this, or don't. Be sucked in, or don't. That's up to you. You have been warned, do with it what you like. This message is not just for you, but for all who read this.

Good song.

[–]humancorpse[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

mind handing me a kleenex?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

mind handing me a kleenex?

Lemme put this video camera down. Here you go.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Seems like an Aussie thing to say (whereas the Krays were 'poofs', pronounced, pouffs).

[–]humancorpse[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

yeah, i dont really know the lingo. Ok fine, i am just trying to sound cool. you caught me.

i really enjoyed the Kray videos.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes - good video - especially when one sees these rare interviews of the associated folks, and testimony that people approached the Krays in order to pay protection money. Seems far-fetched, but I think it would still apply in Southeast London today.

[–]humancorpse[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

those two guys were unimaginably tough guys. very impressive.

glad you liked it.

this is another of my favorite videos... these kids climb onto really tall buildings and whatnot.. absolutely fearless.

video: people are insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOo9VNNC6xg

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's important that they aren't allowed to spread and mutate, which is why the vaccines are so important

None of the current US covid "vaccines" prevent infection or transmission. Surely you've heard this by now? You can claim that transmission is reduced, sure...

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

None of the current US covid "vaccines" prevent infection or transmission. Surely you've heard this by now? You can claim that transmission is reduced, sure...

Campaigns against the vaccine focus on this point about 'prevention', whereas the purpose of the vaccine is to help build antibodies, especially among those who get the virus (I've linked to the medical papers previously, and can offer another link), thereby reducing the spread and mutation of the virus because more people have antibodies now than they did before. Unvaccinated people who get COVID19 will respond in a number of ways, from mild symptoms to severe or critical condition, and rarely, death, as well as ongoing physical and fatigue problems thereafter. Disclaimer: I was not paid by George Soros to say this. I merely study science and its history.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

the purpose of the vaccine is to help build antibodies

yes, because it's a leaky piece of shit "vaccine" and CANNOT PREVENT INFECTION OR TRANSMISSION, unlike all of the prior vaxxes that we grew up with

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Not to bother you about this, but the main difference is not the "leaky" aspect, but the fact that the SARS CoV-2 mRNA vaccine has none of the virus in it; rather it latches onto infected cells in order to build antibodies. Thus both vaccines help build antibodies, thout the latter does so without giving a portion of the virus (and previous vaccines had a portion of the virus). In that manner, there is no risk of giving someone COVID19. I know I'm not going to convince anyone on this website about any of this, but that's the skinny on the latest "international conspiracy to sterlize 8 billion people with the latest mRNA tech."

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes I know how the mRNA "vaccine" works. You are the one implying that these "vaccines" prevent infection and transmission, which is dead wrong. You should go work with with Fauci if you want to lie to the public or use imprecise language.

You can be pro vax all you want, but I will continue to call out everyone's factual inaccuracies.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I see. Perhaps the problem here is that none of what I mention is my opinion, nor am I pro-vax (or anti-vax), or particularly political about any of this. I am merely stating what I read in the medical reseach, and 3 links (and explanation) are provided, here: https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8giw/can_racism_be_based_on_science/ved3

I see no reason to mistrust the medical research in those links, and I've not seen any reliable evidence from "scientists" not engaged in rigorous experiments that I should mistrust the generally agreed upon medical science. It's helpful to be at Saidit, to see the anti-vax claims, but I've not seen any convincing scientific evidence from them. Perhaps I will see it soon. The blood clot problem was an important discovery, for example, though this too is investigated by medical scientists. Again - sorry to bother you - though perhaps this clarifies that my comments are meant to add information from the medical journals, rather than push a social or political agenda. I like debates, though I also appreciate that one subject many Saiditors are particularly recalcitrant to accept is the this medical research. Hence I hesitate to argue, but it helps me avoid a pile of work at the moment.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's important that they aren't allowed to spread and mutate, which is why the vaccines are so important

is your statement here completely accurate, knowing that covid vaccines don't 100% prevent infection or transmission? could it be worded better? I am making one single point which you are avoiding.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am avoiding your point? OK, so this, seems to be the point:

covid vaccines don't 100% prevent infection or transmission

Yes, this is true. But here's the rub:

In the history of virology, the first vaccines also didn't "100% prevent infection or transmission."

Because vaccines help the body respond to the vaccine and thereby make antibodies, there is an initial period when there are not many antibodies to help the patient, even after the first jab. The first jab of all vaccines - when they were first offered - did not "100% prevent infection or transmission." Currently, if one gets a second jab, though still has not produced sufficient antibodies to cope with the virus, one can seill get the virus (which is rare).

As vaccinated populations graduately develop sufficient antibodies, the number of potential infected people declines, as most people have enough antibodies to cope with an infection, thereby getting well quicker, and thereby are less likely after shorter periods of recovery to transmit the virus to another host. The polio virus differs somewhat from COVID, but it's eradication in most parts of the world has taken decades. The polio vaccine also did not initially 100% prevent infection or transmission, but it did eventually 100% prevent infection or transmission, because vaccinated populations have since then developed sufficient antibodies to fight the polio virus.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The covid vaccines seem to be a monumental failure, maybe im wrong about the specifics. either the vaxes don't work for shit against 'delta', or they are mere immunotherapy devices, not doing much for stopping the spread. which do you think it is?

where will covid be on this poster? https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/hc-sc/images/services/vaccination/poster-eng.JPG

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the government claims that infection is reduced by 90%, so that kinda kills my argument. i didn't know they had these bold claims.

During December 14, 2020–April 10, 2021, data from the HEROES-RECOVER Cohorts,* a network of prospective cohorts among frontline workers, showed that the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were approximately 90% effective in preventing symptomatic and asymptomatic infection with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in real-world conditions (1,2). (sample size 4200)

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e4.htm

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

The vaccines - as we know now - are not dangerous, though one of the vaccines is now studied for potential blood clot problems in a handful of people.

isn't this a contradiction

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

All drugs, herbal remedies, and even some foods, have potential side effects. The few instances of blood clots occured with only one of the vaccines, for a few people under the age of 30, and when discovered, the vaccine was suspended for patients under 30. Studies continue for this version of the vaccine. Of the 6.6 billion shots administered, only a very small number of people - perhaps a couple dozen - were recorded with blood clot problems, which may indicate an allergy or something else odd. More information, here. None of this represents political or personal views. I am merely copying here what I've read about the medical science.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

so they are dangerous?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You'd have a better chance of getting struck by lighening 30 times, while in a sumbarine at the bottom of the Mariana trench

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

do you mean just dying

like 1/1000 chance of getting mycarditits, might live thru it, still don't want it. You could survive getting hit by lightning too but I won't go dance out in the rain during a lightning storm.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

OK - to be specific - in a study of 280,000 people, 59 of them had blood clots in veins that seem to have been caused by the AstraZenica vaccine, which resulted in the discontinuation of that vaccine in many countries (and the donation of it to poorer countries). These clots were easily treated with medication. There was "no increase in the rate of arterial clots, such as heart attacks or strokes." Thus if you can move to a very poor country and take that vaccine, the chances that you'll want an anticoagulant afterward would be 1 in 4746. More info

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

can't go by those studies, have to go by anecdotes, too many people i know got heart problems from it

how to stay safe, avoid dangerous things, including both lightning and covid vaccines.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

And look both ways before crossing the street

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

taking the vaccine is basically just walking across the street without looking first. You might be ok, but why risk it?