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[–]NeedMoreCoffee 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (103 children)

Manchild. Stop playing the victim game, grow some balls and stop hanging with losers like MGTOW feeding you this bullshit.

[–]DirewolfGhost 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (60 children)

More shaming tactics, insults and closed ears. Women will never empathize with men. They aren't built for it. Men go where they are appreciated which is why they're walking away.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

No one can take you seriously when you talk about "female eunuchs (career women) taking employment from men" or how "stick size is to protect women"

Women do not respect YOU and men like you because you all act like wimpering, sexist, spoiled brats. Oh daddyyyy the lady did not take my bullshit and was mean to meee wahwahwaaaahh

Cry more.

And good walk away and stay the fuck away. That means don't come into our spaces and whine like babies aswel.

[–]DirewolfGhost 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

Statistically career women have fewer children and the more success they achieve the more men they remove from their mating pool. You don't know about me so you throw a tantrum, make things up and hope something sticks. I'm not crying, just reading another set of hysterical ramblings from a delusional individual, devoid of logic, reason and empathy, masculine traits. You first. The internet is a male space invaded by women to whine like a babies.

P.S. Piece of advice, don't misquote people. It shows your readers how manipulative (or stupid) you are.

Facts>Feelings

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Statistically career women have fewer children and the more success they achieve the more men they remove from their mating pool.

LMAO your tears taste sweet.

It's not women's fault that boys like you feel emasculated if their girlfriend is more successful at life than they are. Grow up.

[–]DirewolfGhost 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

All you have is SIGN language. Shame, insults, guilt and the need to be right. Its tragic that your mind is warped this way. Good luck with your life, I hope it brings you what you're searching for.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I do have sign language you are right about that

[–]Chipit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

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[–]Vulptex[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

They have way more potential and yet still almost always expect the man to do everything. We need more career women. And I mean actual careers, not "hobby job for fun while my guy does the real bill paying".

[–]GConly 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Statistically career women have fewer children

Well yes.

Also the higher the IQ the fewer kids you have full stop, so you may as well bitch about intelligent stay at home moms having fewer kids.

The reason dumber women have more kids is mostly down to contraceptive failure though.

You need to read some science instead of MRA bullshit.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Some people wanted big families since they were little kids, because they loved the idea of being a mom, then became a mom and did in fact love it, so they kept doing it. You need to realize that people make the decisions they make for all sorts of reasons, and some of these reasons can't be studied accurately by the shitty administrations and systems in the West.

Who wants to talk about women who love being moms? They must be country bumpkins! /s

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Im a stay at home mom. The only reason we didn't have four kids was I was so monumentally sick through both of my pregnancies I couldn't face it again.

My comment about why low IQ women have more kids actually comes from studied data. The lower the IQ the more likely you are to have a contraceptive fail. As a rule low and high IQ both say "2" when asked how many children they want.

I'm not saying wanting lots of kids means you have a low IQ.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I see now.

[–]Dragonerne 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Women do not respect YOU and men like you

We know. The feeling is mutual

[–]Chipit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]Vulptex[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Lack of benevolent sexism is not misogyny, it's egalitarian.

[–]Vulptex[S] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (39 children)

There's places where men are appreciated? I've never heard of it.

[–]DirewolfGhost 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

They are appreciated where they can provide something needed or desired. A lot of men are looking for (and building) those places right now. You have to figure out what you can produce that people want. The inbred silver spooners call us useless eaters for a reason.

[–]Vulptex[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

Oh yeah, conditionally. But are you really valued, or are you being used? Women are almost always valued, men are almost always used. Everywhere. Because instincts and reproduction.

[–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Semantics - with a time limit. Women over 40 are not so valued in pop-culture.

[–]Vulptex[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Still a lot more than men. And still not restricted to insanity like men.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Wall is a red pill term, and I do not espouse their ideology, but they're not wrong, just douchebags.

The Wall is a point in a woman's life where her ego and self-assessed view of her sexual market value exceed her actual sexual market value; the beginning of the decline.

Usually occurs as a wake-up shock to women when they realize that their power over men was temporary and that their looks are fading. Usually results with first denial and then a sudden change in priority towards looking for a husband.

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Single moms stink

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

That means u/needmorecoffee is toast!

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I'm absolutely fine with no longer being harassed by pathetic males on the street/bus/shop/concert/bar/restaurant/taxi. Unfortunately that day has not yet come. I'm growing out my grey hair to speed up the process.

[–]Amongstclouds 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

You literally just said women are valued because of their reproductive ability - because of how they can be used. You are saying women are valued for how their bodies can be used while decrying that men are valued for their usefullness. Do you not understand you did that?

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Both are technically valued for how they can be used. But people instinctively assume women are benefiting the tribe by existing, even if they won't or can't have babies, whereas they expect men to prove themselves first, and maintain it. It doesn't make any sense, it's instincts.

[–]Amongstclouds 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

Also:

American women aged 35 to 44 who were voluntarily childless constituted 5% of all U.S. women in 1982, 8% in 1988, 9% in 1995 and 7% in 2002.

from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_childlessness

So, frankly, with 92-95% of women willing to have children, it can be assumed that it is statistically likely that every woman has value as a child-bearer. 5-9% is a statistical outlier.

Whereas:

The national unemployment rate among male adults in the United States stood at 6.1 percent in June 2021.

Therefore, just as useful.

There, I've solved sexism. We're all equally useful within a statistical margin of error.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You solve it indeed! wonderful :D

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Yes, but that's not how instincts work. The only explanation I can see is that women are the sexually selective ones, so they set the standards for a worthy man but men are much less picky about women. Perhaps it's also because women have internal motivation to have sex and bear children. She can do that for herself and still benefit the tribe, so there's no reason to be suspicious. Men are made to serve the tribe through coercion and force, and in the case of most, indoctrination, and like in any totalitarian world you have to actively be rooting out the dissidents for it to stand.

[–]Amongstclouds 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

so they set the standards for a worthy man

The bar is soooooooo low and yet you're still complaining about it. My god. I hear women all the time stay with awful men just because the men don't abuse them. That's all it takes and you can't even manage that? Jesus. Get control of yourself.

Men are made to serve the tribe through coercion and force

You're so close to anti-capitalism...if you could just get there, you could stop dividing the world by men and women and actually fight the real opressors. Sooo close.

[–]Amongstclouds 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's not true of ugly and fat women, though. They are seen as a strain on society just by existing.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Still less so than fat men.

[–]Amongstclouds 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not true. Fat women are paid less. There's some data around this. Fat men have to be reeaally obese for it to hit their paychecks. Women just have to be over a size L.

[–]DirewolfGhost 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Its more about the direction they are walking. Many men don't know where they could be appreciated but it isn't "here". Away is further from here. I personally have a place I am valued but I am far above average in that domain.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They are appreciated where they can provide something needed or desired. A lot of men are looking for (and building) those places right now. You have to figure out what you can produce that people want.

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, in traditional Anabaptist churches, conservative mosques, and orthodox synagogues.

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, it's sometimes even worse there. Still the same old thing. We're never valued, only what we do matters.

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Which of these have you been to? (I have been to all.)

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I grew up in one. It wasn't horrible in my case, they mostly just said it and moved on, but I've seen the worse ones and they are pretty bad.

Here's a typical example. Nearly every single post by this person is about demeaning men and saying our only purpose is to support women who are goddesses and slave to society. Otherwise we are worthless, but women are worth more than any man no matter what they do. One of the posts even blamed all of society's problems on men who have lives of their own. The only difference between traditionalist versions and feminazi rhetoric is that the former stresses women "submitting" to men...and guess who usually has a kink for submitting to men. So even that is their win overall.

[–]FuckMasks 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is supposed to be funny, right? There is no way anyone believes that.

Men rule the world. Pretending there aren't advantages and opportunities all around you is pathetic. Sounds like you live by the victim card, not just play it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you need to feel appreciated to be fulfilled?

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No but it would be nice.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I understand.

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

That's all humans. Men unfortunately actually have less capacity for empathy, they're just taught that they're a bad person if they don't and they have to be responsible and courteous people. Women are taught to take to take and only give back if they feel like it, and manipulate through emotions, sex, and primal instincts. Yet again all the responsibility falls on men even when they can't do it as well.

[–]DirewolfGhost 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If it matches chimps, the higher status males have the greatest empathy while the lowest status males have the least. The reverse trend is true for the females but the extreme absolute values on the spectrum of empathy are dominated by the males.

[–]Vulptex[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

In my experience it's always the opposite. Those with lower status at least understand the struggle and shape good character. Those at the top are selfish and unrestrained, as much as they put up an act of being good people.

[–]DirewolfGhost 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

In humans the rich see those far below as of another class of animal. In chimps that would be equivalent to being of another tribe, which they will tear limb from limb and eat them if they find them alone. Mammalian dynamics only work up to a certain scale before breaking down.

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In chimps that would be equivalent to being of another tribe, which they will tear limb from limb and eat them if they find them alone

Humans would do that too and often do. Civilized nations are just usually smart enough to avoid that kind of conflict. And people at the top like Bill Gates and Kim Jong Un do it all the time. Even their loyalty to their own group members is still mostly for their own benefit, not out of any true compassion.

[–]Vulptex[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Stop letting golddigging women manipulate you with their advantage in sex and primal instincts.

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    [–]NeedMoreCoffee 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

    I'm all ok with that, the sooner you American nutjobs die out the better the rest of the world will have it. Enjoy the future without young women birthing children. It's going to be amazing. :D

    [–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    The sooner sentient life dies out the better everyone but a small few will have it, because life is mostly suffering.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    Oh my, you and u/NeedMoreCoffee are horrible nihilists, I wonder if you even recognize it. Probably not, but wow, no wonder you guys spiraled out like this.

    [–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    My brain doesn't have a lot of coping mechanisms. Some people deny reality, others glorify the bad. I have a lot of trouble doing either.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    These aren't coping mechanisms. You deny reality, vulptex. You have the power to bring life-affirmation to your life, nobody else.

    [–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    No, I just see bad everywhere and have option but to wallow in it. Everyone else is able to turn their head and pretend it's not there, or praise and glorify even the most awful things. My brain doesn't allow me to do that as much. I have free will but I cannot control my brain chemistry, it is what it is. I know because it was completely different when I was a kid, and it randomly changed, and I've been trying to change it back to no avail.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Dude, please, just listen to how you create this situation. "have (no?) option but to wallow in it" and, "it is what it is" and, "My brain doesn't allow me..."

    It wasn't random, every human goes through this, and most find ways to ignore the bad, and to ignore the change, as you describe. You can't ignore it, great! Seriously, great! Now you can pay attention to exactly how it enters into peoples perspectives, and you can take a concerted stance of action against it. You can control your brain chemistry, by changing your lifestyle and re-aligning to your misaligned thoughts with objective reality, not subjective feelings. Obviously you tend to negative thoughts about yourself, some of which might be true, but they are probably being presented to you in horrid psychologically damaged ways. This is relatively normal from what I can tell, when we are presented with truth, something evil twists it in our minds to serve its purposes. Pay attention to that.

    You have years of living under your belt where you accepted every thought that tumbled into your brain as yours. Many of those were not your thoughts, but since you identified with them so heavily, you have found justifiable scientific reasons to suffer under them! This is just like the women who lay around saying: I'll never be tough, I'm just a woman. Or the humans who sit around wallowing: humans are plague, we must be eradicated!

    As a child, you could perceive the eucatastrophe that is Life. You no longer perceive it. Life is still a eucatastrophe, nothing about life changed, the way you perceived the world changed. You can physically, mentally, socially, and spiritually alter your perceptions. I would suggest learning how to do this, or else you will forever stay miserable in your wallowing.

    Study the word "eucatastrophe" and accept reality for what it is. It does care for "you", just not the "you" you thought you were. You are suppressing the individual within you to join in with the biological traits of your species. I just don't see how this is beneficial.

    [–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    and you can take a concerted stance of action against it

    Most of my problems are things that can't, and I mean CAN'T be changed. I don't think anyone can understand. There's even two of me, there's me and then there's my brain's "me" and we are fundamentally different people. I feel like I'm possessing someone else and can't break free. Not because I'm pretending to be someone else, because I'm not, but because this person's brain and body don't belong to me and doesn't fit me, and because I feel like I don't even belong to the same species. This isn't a matter of who I am anymore, it's what I am. Do I even belong in this universe? Is this some weird dream that I'm going to wake up from? It sure feels like one. But it just keeps going and going. Reality could collapse and I'd like that because it means this external world would stop dictating everything that happens to me and even how I think and perceive. Yet for some reason that would horrify everyone else.

    You are suppressing the individual within you to join in with the biological traits of your species. I just don't see how this is beneficial.

    I'm not. This piece of flesh and bones I'm in is doing it for me. It's like how you can operate an Apple device but they make most of the decisions and restrictions for you and you can't change them. It was nowhere near as bad before and it randomly kicked in for no reason. Puberty is the only explanation and it makes sense. It's developing me for tasks I have no interest in doing. But it doesn't know that, it only cares about spreading my genes and helping whatever tribe I'm supposed to be part of. To most people that is of utmost importance, which from a biological perspective makes perfect sense. Fuck, do I have any humanness at all in me?

    If I have a eucatastrophe it won't be for a very long time. Probably, at least.

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    I think you missed the plot and context completely mate.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    No, you two are nihilistic, you may be good people, but you are nihilists and don't seem to realize.

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    No you missed a clear sarcastic and hyperbole reply to the stupid argument the guy i responded to made.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    And what would that be? I will change my mind if you are willing to try. I don't like idealistic nihilists, but I despise misidentifying someone as one if they are actually optimistic realists.

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Learn to read and stop labeling strangers you know fuck all about with a weird projection of your own unresolved issues.

    [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

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      [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

      Another TOS violation. You're not on Reddit. Reported.

      [–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

      Sweet thanks, you are making me so loved that you feel the need to stalk my every comment. Not creepy at all :D

      [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

      So easily you revert to the feminist language of false accusations.

      If you weren't breaking the rules, you wouldn't be getting called out. But apparently you think ugly personal insults are arguments. That's not how it works on Saidit, that is explicitly against TOS and grounds for banning your account.

      [–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

      I've been insulted all over this thread why don't you go post your comments on those insulting me to? Ah wait, they agree with you so you don't care right? LMAO

      [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

      Your argument is incoherent and illogical. On Saidit we use the Pyramid of Debate. Address the central claim in the argument. This may be difficult at first, I know I had a period of adjustment.

      [–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

      You would not even know what incoherent or illogical was even if Deadpool came to life and pointed it out to you with arrows made of neon lights mate.

      Give it a rest.

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      More personal insults. You're on track for a ban from this website if you don't learn how to argue correctly.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No.

      [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Coomer

      [–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Obviously the concept of men defending their rights with dignity has turned some screw loose, because all your incessant posting in this thread is nothing but a stream of abusive language and misandristic insults.

      MGTOW did "grow some balls" and decided to live in independence instead of being slaves to the current legal and societal framework.