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[–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

For many it's not voluntary nor even a choice.

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They think it's not a choice. You ever see when these incels post pictures of themselves? A lot of them aren't bad looking guys. It's their ideology that repulses women. Many of them seem to feel entitled to some mythical 10/10 cat eared anime waifu of their dreams while simultaneously hating women for that not happening.

Mgtow, ignoring the incels who flock to the movement for a moment, are often guys who have been screwed over by women in their relationships. I feel for that, I really do. But they have the choice to let their experiences make them bitter towards all women, or to not let one (or honestly several) experiences define them. Women are people too, there's good ones and shitty ones.

I've noticed the friends in my life who keep getting divorced gravitate towards women I would uncharitably call hoes. They keep picking that kind of woman and wonder why it doesn't work out.

There was a point in my life I thought I was going to be forever alone. In retrospect I was really bad at noticing all the women interested in me. It was all in my head. I stopped caring and went on with my life and everything worked out. Lonliness and desperation are huge turn offs. You can fall into a self made trap where you are the own cause of your continued misery.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with all of that, except that it only applies to some, not all.

Also, not everyone needs or wants a partner. I would be better off with a lot of things, including a good woman. I also know I'm better off now without a bad woman.

[–]H3v8 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lonliness and desperation are huge turn offs.

I don't think there are many men who would reject a woman for being lonely.

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If they were empathetic, they wouldn't.

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I was thinking of men there, but even with women you still see it. Standards are a little different. Not a cute young woman who hasn't had a boyfriend in a while kind of lonely. I mean femcels, some crazies, severely depressed women, single moms, and older women kinds of lonely and desperate. It just turns off that little persistent voice that says "but I got a good shot to get laid here."

Used to call them Red Alerts at one place I worked. As in Red Alert, scatter, cause that chick is here to desperately hit on all the guys again. Even if you're really horny some lizard part of your brain says "not this one, Klaus." Occasionally alcohol has been known to shut that pesky brain down so you can have a truly regrettable hookup.

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You ever see when these incels post pictures of themselves?

You mean the fakecel trolls? The true genetically inferior don't take selfies.