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[–]wristaction 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Why are there progressives on here? Is it to have their lukewarm takes swim in a smaller pond? Or do they believe they're monitoring a terrorist website? I just don't get what use they'd have for an alt social media site. Reddit should be fine for them.

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    [–]wristaction 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Do progressives do that at their websites?

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      [–]wristaction 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Are Twitter and Reddit bad? Why?

      This site is an emulation of Reddit. Why does it exist?

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

      Did you want more of a bubble? There's like 4 liberals on here.

      The pedo was alt right.

      [–]madcow-5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This. Socks and fediwhatever, as annoying as they can be, are invaluable to the health of the site.

      [–]wristaction 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

      I don't know. You described yourself having a cold-sweat panic from a few moments of exposure to a media outlet which wasn't feeding your prior beliefs back to you. Just giving advice.

      The pedo was alt right back at you. (is that code for something or something?)

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

      You're thinking of someone else, I can't imagine panicking from political bullshit. I'm not left or right, I don't like either of them. Politics is like professional football. You can watch, but you don't get to play.

      The pedo was alt right back at you. (is that code for something or something?

      It's not code, there was just a dude talking about having sex with children that got banned. He wasn't a liberal. And my point, besides seeming news worthy locally to saiditers, was that no one side has the monopoly on degeneracy.

      [–]wristaction 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

      I did get my threads crossed. My apologies.

      To answer your question, are bubbles bad? I don't know. I know the left has determined that no dissidence is permissible in any forum whatsoever. This has been going on for as long as I've been following politics and here we are. If bubbles are bad, they're not bad for the left. Establishing a firm boundary for allowable sentiment and constant policing of inhabitants of the bubble for goodthink seems to have been an efficient route to power for the left. The left don't seem to mind inhabiting an "echo chamber". Seemingly as a consequence, they're capable of unified progression from discussion to collective action on behalf of shared goals.

      So maybe bubbles aren't bad. Maybe the idea that "echo chambers are bad" is one of these entryist control narratives non-leftists have been inculcated with so they remain disorganized and without power.

      But my question was why a progressive would leave the comfy hum of their hive at reddit to post here. What is their reason?

      As far as the other thing goes, the incoming Secretary of Health is a visibly mentally ill man who publicly cross-dresses. I'm not going to weigh that against an anonymous message board character in pursuit of a "bothsides" cope.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      Reddit is NOT progressive.

      Reddit is SJW/BLM corporate Dems (GOP in Dems clothing). VERY different.

      As different as GOP and AltRight. Or GOP and AnCap.

      [–]madcow-5 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      SJW/BLM corporate Dems

      I've never heard anyone try to separate this from the term progressive.

      Maybe liberal. I'll still occasionally point out that the left are no longer the liberal side in the US. But I've never heard someone try to distinguish progressive from this, particularly the SJW and BLM parts.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      Now you have. It's NOT uncommon. If you knew anything about the left you'd know there's a HUGE rift in it too.

      Just as the alt-right has been unfairly demonized and many of their stances have been twisted and spun into nonsense (ie. all Nazis, all racists, all supremacists, all sexists, etc) in an organize media psyop, so too the progressive left has been much maligned by being associated with the SJW/BLM corporate Dem bullshit. All the fake progressives in the Dems are posers who might say SOME of the things actual progressives believe in, but they never act.

      Real progressives:

      • end corruption
      • end wars
      • universal healthcare
      • fix corporate scams
      • fix prisons
      • fair wages
      • good education
      • environment
      • green alternatives
      • end consumerism
      • etc

      Many of these overlap with the alt-right, an-cap, and voluntarists. None of them are in the Overton window.

      BLM, SJW, trans agenda, and the climate change scam are fake distraction issues. Sure some progressives may buy into these, maybe even all these distractions, but MANY do not. Those who call them out won't ever have MSM voices.

      Just as they made "conspiracy theorist" and "truther" into pejorative terms, they are twisting "progressive" so much now that many who say they haven't changed but the definition has, are at a loss for a clear label for what they stand for. Even just this past week Kim Iversen went on yet another big rant about it. I don't recall if it was one I posted or if I was too busy and just listened.

      See also:
      /s/Progressivism
      /s/IronLeft

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        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        Then as now, no group of people is immune from having many ruling class tricks they regret. More often than not there's only the lesser of evils and/or no opting out. I don't want to be a subject of the Queen, nor under mafia government rule, nor pay taxes, nor have a bank account that steals $11 a month I can't afford...

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        So like Lindbergh?

        [–]StrategicTactic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        On bubbles:

        This is entirely the difference between the left and right. The left values cohesion of the masses, not progress or merit. The right values merit, not cohesion. Thus, the right willing engages in the battle of ideas to let the best rise, while the left censors anything that conflicts with their ideal vision.

        Debate sites always start out dominated by the right, and usually end when enough leftists stop allowing debate in one form or another.

        [–]madcow-5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        The dude was incel. Like it or not, the out and open incels are usually on the extreme right. The left gets the closet incels, which are niceguys and male feminists.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        When we were still on reddit, the trans subs had way more user crossover with the incel subs than the alt-right subs did.

        [–]madcow-5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I think some of the recent ones think they're monitoring or harming a thought-criminal website. Like the weird influx of incel pedos yesterday with less than a week old accounts that a lot of us couldn't tell whether or not they were trolls. Some of the progressives, I think, are just people who like to fight, so they're here. And I welcome that. Not because I feel like arguing constantly, but because the site does need some kind of balance between political sides so it doesn't just turn into a less meme-oriented TD.win.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        I'm guessing you don't even know what a real Progressive is.

        Fake Progressives with the Dems don't count.

        Authentic Progressives have been censored too.

        There's much to be admired in ideas from Progressives, AnSocs, AnCaps, and AltRight.

        SJWs, Dems, and GOP have nothing to offer.

        [–]wristaction 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        The only part of the left I've seen deplatformed are TERFs and if they learned nothing from the experience, they don't have anything to say worth hearing.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        How about anti-war people? How about the environmentalists? They call them eco-terrorists now and get worse sentences than real terrorists and the CIA terrorists. Now the corporate Left™ is worried about Climate Change™, a fictional excuse to distract from real conservation and for their Carbon Tax™ scam. Black Lives Matter™ but health care doesn't. They knocked the progressives down first, and have since embedded a bunch of posers that talk but don't act.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Their actually is 'climate' change just not what they are telling us. Our PNW is a lot different then when I moved up here 20 years ago. The year 2000/2001 was a turning point that one weird dry winter and slowly went more weird with dry being the new default.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        True. They also do geoengineering (chemtrails) to modify and manipulate the weather/climate. I could have worded it more accurately.