REDDIT FUCKING SUCKS

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[–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

Nope. There is some legitimate recognition of the role of Jews in certain past and current events, a couple of rabid haters, and that's about it. We've been conditioned to think ANY suggestion that the Jews (in abstract) have done anything wrong, ever, is "anti-Semitic", and that's bored deep into most people's psyche into preventing any valid criticism of their vast history of killing people... so anyone who is still stuck in that programming might find frank discussion of Mossad's activities, say, a little triggering

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Bless Israel and the jewish people!

For extorting from me and my fellow Americans $4,000,000,000.00 a year for the last 4 decades, we bless thee.

For taking our most sophisticated weapons technology and stealing it for yourself without paying the American patent holders, we bless thee.

For taking that high-tech military technology and selling it to our enemies, such as the Russians and Chinese, thus further endangering us, we bless thee.

For using that weaponry in a sustained attack against a United States ship, the USS Liberty, in an attempt to sink her, thus preventing US servicemen from revealing to the rest of the world information concerning the war crimes they witnessed you commit against Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai Desert during the Six Day War, as well as for the purposes of dragging the US into yet another one of your murderous adventures, we bless thee.

For killing 35 and wounding 170 American sailors aboard the USS Liberty, we bless thee.

For bribing the United States government into covering it up, preventing any justice from being done for the benefit of the families of the lost sailors – as well as the American People, we bless thee.

For sending your agents into Egypt and blowing up American buildings for the purpose of blaming the Arabs in an event known as the Lavon Affair, we bless thee.

For sending your agents into Libya during the Reagan administration, and broadcasting radio messages in Arabic that were designed to sound like “terrorist cell planning” so that the US would initiate military strikes against Khadafi in an event known as Operation Trojan Horse, we bless thee.

For withholding information from us concerning the planned attacks against the US Marine barracks in Lebanon, attacks you knew about through your moles in the Islamic world and about which you deliberately refused to warn us in order to further your interests against the Arabs, we bless thee.

For employing Jonathon Pollard, an American serviceman paid to spy for Israel in order to steal even more of our National Security secrets for your parasitic purposes, we bless thee.

For breaking every agreement you have made with your Arab neighbors, stealing their land, displacing, murdering, and treating them like the animals you see them as, we bless thee.

For using your agents within the first Bush administration to involve us in the first Gulf War, causing the deaths of American men and women, and exposing our servicemen to whatever bio-weapons were and are responsible which have led to Gulf War Syndrome, we bless thee.

For your role in the September 11 attacks in this country, and for blackmailing and bribing the US government into deporting back to Israel the 100 or more intelligence agents that were arrested after the attacks, we bless thee.

For suppressing the information from the American people of your involvement in the September 11 attacks and sending us in the wrong direction in search of answers, we bless thee.

For using one of your agents in the US Army Weapons Lab to steal anthrax and distribute it into our mail system, terrorizing US citizens and killing several in order to blame the Arabs, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the US Government, namely, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams, and the rest into initiating this war in the Middle East so that you could bring to heel all the enemies you have made during the last 50 years, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the media to lie to us on a minute by minute basis about the war, lying to us as to how “just” this cause is, and what the real reasons behind it are, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the Christian Evangelical community, such as Falwell, Graham, Swaggert, Robertson and the rest who praise you as God’s chosen people and further keep Americans in the dark about who you really are what you have done, and what you are truly about, we bless thee.

For bringing idiots like Limbaugh, Liddy, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly and Savage to the forefront as paid liars who will support you and further lead Americans astray, we bless thee.

For making America your attack dog, and for sending her sons and daughters to fight and die in all your future wars, we bless thee. For using your influence in the media to hide the real statistics about the war, the dead and wounded on both sides, we bless thee.

For using us in such a way that not only further inflames the Arab world against us, but as well has succeeded in our alienating ourselves against those nations with whom we have been friendly for over a century, we bless thee.

And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a once great nation, oh Israel, our friend,

We bless thee.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/s

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

I'm an American jew who's lived 15 years (half my life) in Israel but now i'm back in the US and it wasn't by my choice it was just my parent's decisions. But do you put yourself in the shoes of the people on the other side? There was the holocaust (many holocaust deniers on Saidit, yes it's that bad) and then Israel's been attacked a bunch by the surrounding arab countries and fought wars with them as well as suffering a gazillion terrorist attacks. My 2nd cousin was a victim of a suicide bombing at a pizza shop and she suffered 3rd degree burns, thankfully she didn't die. We've had certain leaders of muslim countries saying they flat out want to nuke israel... we've had our olympic team in germany get massacred. There's a reason that Israels intelligence agency has to be on their toes.

Like you trying to take the side of the muslims who are pretty fucking uncivilized. You really not know what kind of people the muslims are? Want to leave their religion they kill you, want to be gay, they kill you... just to name a few.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

The holocaust is just another lie. The figures don't add up. holocaust deprogramming is an essential act of sanity. '6,000,000' is just as much a lie as the lampshades made of human flesh, the gas chambers, the ovens, the shotguns that curve around holes and the automatic sexdeath machines.

All fabrications of Jews, atrocity propaganda, designed to tar all re-nationalising of money control with an evil brush.

None of that matters in the case of Israel's current fight for life in a sea of insane Muslim states. Linking the two is dishonest. Its called a 'straw man'.

We can recognise the truth of Jewish behaviour, whilst also recognising that their enemies are insane fuckers too.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

So you don't think there's a blind hatefest going on here towards jews?

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Nope. There is some legitimate recognition of the role of Jews in certain past and current events, a couple of rabid haters, and that's about it.

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The holocaust is just another lie.

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You can't make this shit up. You're a comedian whether you know it or not. Holy fuck this is so fucking good i want other people to see this maybe i'll ping u/magnora7

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

I'm really not sure you equate rational analysis of the holocaust myth with ' hate'

the most beautiful woman I ever meet, with angelic energy rolling off her, was Jewish.

So, I've just shown that understanding the atrocity propaganda that is ' the holocaust'' Does not preclude positive feelings towards individual jews.

Your argument is false, and I could demonstrate it's absurdity by applying it anywhere.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I mean when it comes to how wide the consensus is that the holocaust happened, it's pretty fucking wide. So wide in fact, that you're basically walking the same line as flat earthers by being a holocaust deniers. And generally where this sentiment comes from or is based in, is extreme suspicion and paranoia regarding jews. You can find jewish girls attractive and still be paranoid as hell towards jews.

So are you a flat earther also?

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

how wide the consensus is that the holocaust happened, it's pretty fucking wide

A widespread belief doesn't define what is "truth". History is bursting with examples of commonly accepted truths ending up being eventually proven false. You will have to use a different methodology to prove your beliefs.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For sure. And i'm generally the type of person who is for questioning stuff and being skeptical. But we were talking about why i would equate holocaust denying with hating the jews. I'm saying there's generally an overlap between that tiny % of the population that is holocaust deniers and hating jews. And also people are usually uninclined to go against such widespread consensus out of fear of being outcast by society so it says a lot about you that you're willing to go against this consensus. Usually what that says is you have a pretty strong grudge against jews.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This isn't really my "department", but I'm familiar with the subject enough to have observed that most people don't dislike/hate for no reason at all. They have arrived at conclusions whether real or imagined. And that arrival has imbued them with a sense of contempt, and moral revulsion. Perhaps as it is with many things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

the consensus amongst who? people who have been told that their entire lives, or people who actually investigate the data.

Because I used to believe.... and then I studied the primary sources.

and no, the earth is a sphere, but good for you, using the #1 bargain basement shitty debating trick

You've also 'moved the goalposts'. First, it was unrelenting hatred towards jews, now its 'paranoid as hell'. If I could be bothered demonstration your latest REEEEEE was false, what would you shift it to then?

I didn't find her attractive, by the way. I found her beautiful. I met her during a very stressful time in my life, and her friendship was a balm on my soul.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

My own grandfather was a jewish Pole who joined the Russian army and liberated a concentration camp and all of his extended family and community were killed in the holocaust. So yeah you're coming across as crazy to me. Must be nice being able to claim it was all fake when you weren't personally affected by it. I guess this is like why people got mad at Alex Jones for the sandy hook thing.

I went to Poland myself when i was 18 and visited 3 concentration camps. I'm afraid to tell you mate but your sources are shit.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They should have stopped using usury.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So your own grandfather was not in a concentration camp, but instead liberated people From concentration camps, where they were not all dead, but rather alive.

Typhus killed a lot of people, as did the allied war crimes, where food was cut off for over a month.

You have serious issues with extremism. You take my words and exaggerate until they are beyond meaning. eg, (this time " claim it was all fake". I never did that. People did die. The SS, in particular, carried out a number of hideous war crimes that invovled murdering large groups of Jews. These are documented in the primary sources. As are census figures by the red cross of jewish populations before and after the war, and as are the ever escalating figures of jews killed by the Reich, which started off at around 200,000 (a legitimate figure) and steadily rose until they reached the 6,000,000 we know today. At one stage, there were more 'holocaust survivors' than jews living in germany pre-war.

Do youn understand propaganda, how it works, or did it just work its insidious magic on you to such an extent that you just get triggered and see the world in black and white (like the nazis you hate so vehemently).

Understanding the humanity in ALL others, no matter their crimes, is essential if you don't want to become an empty vessel, used by others.

When you visited the concentration camps, (something i've also done, and was affected by the horrors I was told occurred there, but then later re-assessed after looking at primary sources). did you ever see 'ovens' that were not bread ovens, connected to huge chimneys? Because the primary sources show that the chimneys (that stand alone, unconnected to anything) were built after soviet 'liberation'. Quite an eye opener.

The 'confessions' of the nazis are also suspect. We are not told, but primary sources reveal that they were obtained under horrific torture. In fact, once you start looking at the primary sources, you realise that OUR side was committing constant and extreme war crimes, and the level of deliberate non combatant murder was beyond excuse. Dresden is a well documented example, but attacks on hospital and civilian ships, allied PoW camps, torture, rape, murder its all there.

The french 'resistance' was vile, committing cleansings against 'collaborators' that then became the post war tales of nazis killing whole villages.

The victor writes history, and ours has been cleansed.

Oh, primary sources also hows that Hitler's infamous 'Final Solution' was actually deportation of Jews to Madagascar, something that was modified when he worked with the Zionists to transport Jews and their possesions to Israel.

But keep spewing hate, based on absloute ignorance.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Occam's razor my friend...

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Its only the Jews and (((liberals))) who believe that hoax