Redditor has a bad time at a gay orgy. The level of entitlement is astounding. This is what happens when you have little to no real world experience and fall for what the internet tells you.

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[–]AreYouSureee 69 insightful - 20 fun69 insightful - 19 fun70 insightful - 20 fun -  (8 children)

Gay men not turned on by woman. Shock.

[–]beethy 27 insightful - 11 fun27 insightful - 10 fun28 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

How. Fucking. Dare they.

[–]Chipit[S] 11 insightful - 14 fun11 insightful - 13 fun12 insightful - 14 fun -  (5 children)

Not a woman. Direct quote, "I know I'm a man."

[–]jet199 25 insightful - 5 fun25 insightful - 4 fun26 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Women = adult human female

She can call herself a cupboard but it won't make it so.

[–]FediNetizen 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Chipit is very alt-right, and is very much trolling Saidit's GC crowd with his comments here. Don't take him seriously.

[–]shariajustice 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

if you can fk a dude in the ass, you can fk a pig in it's ass.

same shit, different day.

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      [–]FrostyNugs 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Sounds kinda problematic to me :/

      Maybe they should send themselves to woke conversion therapy

      [–]Leo_Littlebook 56 insightful - 38 fun56 insightful - 37 fun57 insightful - 38 fun -  (2 children)

      Getting rejected at an orgy. Brutal. No wonder they kill themselves.

      She found the only way possible for a woman to get turned down by a room full of erect dick.

      That level of foolishness really does deserve a Darwin award.

      [–]denverkris 28 insightful - 19 fun28 insightful - 18 fun29 insightful - 19 fun -  (0 children)

      She found the only way possible for a woman to get turned down by a room full of erect dick.

      I'm crying right now

      [–]Chipit[S] 22 insightful - 14 fun22 insightful - 13 fun23 insightful - 14 fun -  (0 children)

      She found the only way possible for a woman to get turned down by a room full of erect dick.

      This is gold.

      [–]AsInBeer 38 insightful - 2 fun38 insightful - 1 fun39 insightful - 2 fun -  (66 children)

      So I actually have sympathy for this person. Basically these are people whose brains tell them they are the gender opposite of their body. You have to admit you never "decided" to feel like the man/woman you are- the feeling was just completely there for you, fully formed . So there exist people where the two do not match- the brain and the sex.

      The worst part is they're being led to believe that, by "educating' people, they can be desired. That's NEVER going to happen and leading them to believe it can through some Marxist type struggle session on the part of everyone in society is cruel in the extreme.

      They can be accepted, but not desired. To be desired, they have to find somone to whom they are desirable. Most gay men don't want a female body. Neither do they want a female body which has been operated on to look like a male. They want another man and his natural body. Same goes for all directions in all forms of reversal- straight men straight women lesbian women etc.

      To the person who wrote this- Look, if people are so flexible as you require them to be about what they're attracted to, why don't YOU change YOURSELF to be attracted to men as a straight woman? What? That's not your authentic self ? That's not your authentic desire? That's not who you feel youself to be? Well, welcome to the club.

      I acknowledge this can be real, not something they did to themselves out of some weird desire (in most cases at least) to be different . It's easy to imagine that the brain gets printed one way for one reason or another and the body is another way. OK. I don't hate them but there's no way in HELL I'm going to date them just like there's no way in HELL I'm going to fall in love with my car's exhaust pipe. It's not the thing I am looking for and that has NOTHING to do with culture any more than your belief you're a trans was imposed on you by culture.

      You can save youself a lot of heartache and not expose yourself to these situations. This is something we all learn. There are whole classes of people- taller, prettier, slimmer, smarter, the list goes on and on, whom we desire but who do not desire us and we just have to suck it up and learn to live with it. Sexual rejection is a basic experience of life EVERYONE experiences, and yes, it makes you want to cry.

      All I can say is there's someone out there for everyone because just the way you were born with a mismatched brain and body so also is there someone out there who was born with unusual tastes in partners.

      But aside from that, you know what? Thre's more to life than romance (not that you were looking for romance at a gay orgy...). People who die virgins live incredibly fulfilled lives and contribute to society in spectacular ways. The richness and meaning to be found in life is not about who you partner with or even if you partner at all.

      Just ask Sir Isaac Newton.

      [–]bonked_or_maybe_not 66 insightful - 2 fun66 insightful - 1 fun67 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Basically these are people whose brains tell them they are the gender opposite of their body.

      And there are tomboys that have been told by sick depraved sociopaths that this is what they really are and they end up destroying their lives because they weren't interested in Barbies and liked things their dad and brothers did.

      [–]AsInBeer 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh yes the approach towards children by transactivist is completely predatory and sick and needs to be crushed totally, absolutely and without pity. That is exactly right. See save James for a mother who appears to have Munchhausens By Proxy disease and has found a judge willing to give her the control over her child James that she craves so she can act out her disease.

      [–]jet199 47 insightful - 2 fun47 insightful - 1 fun48 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      Basically these are people whose brains tell them they are the gender opposite of their body.

      No, the gender cult tells them that. Their brain knows the truth full well which is why she needs constant external validation. The need for that constant validation then turns her into a narcissistic homophobe.

      The vast majority of women now with gender dysphoria have RODG, which means they never questioned their gender during childhood, it came on rapidly during their teenage years. This is mostly due to social contagion, notice she has that zealot friend pushing her to go further all the time. Notice she says she's never felt dysphoria this bad before, these women and girls usually only start feeling major dysphoria after they transition. The supposed cure causes the illness.

      [–]ISaidWhatISaid 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The vast majority of women now with gender dysphoria have RODG

      There is a surge in butch-looking women with ROGD wanting to transition because these are ugly, unfeminine women who think they might have a better shot at life as good-looking feminine men (only for a first few years anyway, after the first 10 years the testosterone makes them look like over-the-hill exhausted burned-out old men).

      [–]AsInBeer 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      In some cases it's a sort of cult of gender dysphoria. But people like this have existed for a long, long time, so even if there's a big uptick in this gender tehory bullshit, so it's not JUST that.

      I agree with your observations, but for any individual case, you just can't know. I took this person at face value, as we all should do for each other.

      We have to all react to the extremism by becoming MORE subtle, nuanced, thoughtful and creative. Don't let the Left pull you down into the shit-pit of absolutism and Manichean thinking because that's where escalation occurs and if WE escalate then WE lose sympathy and the public opinion.

      But even beyond that, yes, this person coudl be an exemplar of modern gender theory. But like I said, it's at least possible that they actually are NOT that thing and it's what I posted - someone with a biologically-based condition. It that case Christianity teaches us to have compassion. Since we can't know, we have to err on the side of compassion, always, even non Christians or atheists. It's about making enough space between strongly felt emotions and reactions for civilization.

      [–]jet199 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      But people like this have existed for a long, long time, so even if there's a big uptick in this gender tehory bullshit, so it's not JUST that.

      Any evidence for that?

      I personally was a gender non conforming child who told everyone I wanted to be a boy when I grew up and was terrified of becoming a woman with all that entails. I got cured at puberty like 93% of gnc kids. Now looking back I was nothing like a boy, I had no boy's brain, I just didn't fit in with girls so I thought I had to put myself in the other box.

      I have actual experience of this thinking and know what it's like from the inside, I don't have to trust what other people are saying.

      However if you look at people's actions rather than just their words it's quite clear that trans women still act like men and trans men still act like women even though they claim to have the brain of the opposite sex. Gender clinics even have to have classes to teach people how to act, speak and walk like their preferred gender. That wouldn't be necessary if they were born with a female or male brain, you would do those things instinctively.

      [–]Uranian 40 insightful - 5 fun40 insightful - 4 fun41 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

      I don't have much sympathy for someone so narcissistic she thought she'd be welcome at a gay male sex party despite having a female body.

      [–]AsInBeer 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      But we're all narcissists in the beginning, right? We only develop out of that gradually. I don't know why some people seem to be so slow in doing that. I do think the current culture retards or arrests it. But the world is as it is and this person is what they are. We have to choice but to try to work with the people as we find them; there is no second Earth to fly off to.

      [–]Uranian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      As does she, and whining about how homosexual men don't find her sexually attractive would be a good place to start.

      [–]yousaythosethings 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Transsexualism was generally about being more comfortable presenting as the opposite sex not about them actually being the opposite sex. And certainly these heterosexual teen girls with rapid onset gender dysphoria don’t believe that they are actually men. They just want to be men and to be seen as men, or even more so, they don’t want to be seen as and treated as women. That’s why they are so fragile because their identity is a house of cards and they know it. This whole sex denialism shit is new.

      [–]jet199 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Yep, they can't think they are men because the clearly have no idea what men are, as seen in the screen grab.

      Male sexuality is completely alien to her. She says they look like deer in headlights ffs, us grown ups know what's thing on there but it's all a big mystery to her.

      [–]VirgilGriff 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      To the person who wrote this- Look, if people are so flexible as you require them to be about what they're attracted to, why don't YOU change YOURSELF to be attracted to men as a straight woman?

      That's a good argument

      [–]Coconaut 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      You have to admit you never "decided" to feel like the man/woman you are- the feeling was just completely there for you, fully formed

      I dont feel like a man or a woman. I just feel like me. Gender identity doesn’t exist.

      [–]ISaidWhatISaid 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Gender identity doesn’t exist.

      I wish we lived in a society where gender didn't matter but unfortunately everyone is obsessed with their gender. I think it's because of narcissism and people being more visible and judgemental than ever. I don't believe feminininity or masculinity is inherent. I think people have behaviours that overtime became associated with the stereotypical man or woman because people found those behaviours useful or pleasant, so they stereotyped them.

      [–]Coconaut 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't think gender identity is real, but gender expression is real. we choose how to present ourselves and how to behave so people see us in a certain light, man or woman or masculine or feminine. Basically, gender is cosplay.

      [–]AsInBeer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      OK but not true for everyone. I feel like what I am. So do most people. Being the sex you are is a big part of who we are.

      [–]Questionable 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      "So I actually have sympathy for this person."

      I don’t. And everything you've said past that point is irrelevant.

      Let me tell you what is relevant. They were attending a sex party. Don’t attend sex parties kids. The people you find in these places are not kind. These people are not your friends. Best case scenario is you get fu͖͉̖̦̼ͭ̀̑̎͛̅ͅcked like a piece of meat by someone you don’t know. Maybe you'll be offered some drugs to make the experience better for you. These people do not care about you. I think it's better off, that she ended up crying in a bathroom, and not fucked by a bunch of sociopaths she didn't know. Don’t attend sex parties kids! Especially in the age of social media where everyone around you is holding a camera!

      "All I can say is there's someone out there for everyone because just the way you were born with a mismatched brain and body so also is there someone out there who was born with unusual tastes in partners.
      But aside from that, you know what? Thre's more to life than romance (not that you were looking for romance at a gay orgy...). People who die virgins live incredibly fulfilled lives and contribute to society in spectacular ways. The richness and meaning to be found in life is not about who you partner with or even if you partner at all. "

      Nothing you've said here is relevant to attending a gay sex party. You are more detached from reality, than the U.S economy is from the current financial markets. Stop spewing feel good nonsense. You are helping no one.

      "Just ask Sir Isaac Newton."

      What‽ WHAT!!‼!! Literally. Stop̦̮͎̜̘̖̦̀̓̎̈̌͆̊!

      Ĥ̅͛ǝ̮̺͕̲̰llo ʍoɹlp' I,m Qnǝsʇᴉouɐqlǝ.̬̘̟ͅ

      [–]AsInBeer 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      You made the whole point about attending a gay sex party, not me and not the author. This perosn'a point was his sexual rejection (at a gay sex party ...lol...). So we're focusing onn two different thnigs.

      Gay sex parties have been with us continually since Rome, at least. It's a male-sex-drive meets male-sex-drive construct.

      Believe me, if beautiful women were into sex parties (they're not for the most part), you'd have the exact same heterosexual behavior amongst young straight men.

      I think you can intuit how that might be the case....

      Finally, Newton famously died a virgin, so it's directly relevant.

      [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 15 fun1 insightful - 14 fun2 insightful - 15 fun -  (33 children)

      Most gay men don't want a female body. Neither do they want a female body which has been operated on to look like a male. They want another man and his natural body.

      That's cissexism and transphobia. Please see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5GYlZKfBmI for a better explanation.

      [–]bonked_or_maybe_not 42 insightful - 2 fun42 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No. It's reality. Stop demanding everyone play along with your delusions.

      [–]AsInBeer 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

      You're argument is with reality. Do you really think you're going to win?

      [–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (17 children)

      Subjectivity is valuable because people's lived experiences are valuable - because people's spoken truths are, in and of themselves, truths. Glorifying objectivity in social justice debates can not only be counter-productive, but really oppressive. See here for a better explanation

      [–]AsInBeer 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I understand that. My reply is of course subjectivity is valuable, in fact, subjectivity is always being addressed when we talk about objectivity because when you're stuck in your subjectivity you distort reality. We celebrate objectivity precisely because it takes us out of the descending / distorting spiral of loneliness and solipicism and self aggrandizement / self debasement that subjectivity leads people down into. Einstein called science a refuge from the mrely personal (paraphrasing). That's what objectivity is. It takes effort effort to raise yourself out of the easy-mud of just being a child who wants what they want because they want it in the way they want it.

      The objective reality I am referring to is other people's preferences- specifically people want what they want and notn something else you're selling. It's not possible to "train" them out of it and it's not your or anyone else's place to even try.

      The Left decries "gay therapy" but seeks to sell this guy on the idea that not just "trans-acceptance" but "trans-desirability" is something achievable.

      Most people are born desiring what they desire and you're not going to change them. You can guilt them, shame them, harrass them, pester them, lecture them, preach to them, but you're not going to change them any more than society changed gays when it was illegal to even be gay. They went on merrily desiring each other and not women.

      And that's the way it is. That's objective reality.

      [–]yousaythosethings 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      None of this is about “lived experience.” What is this girl’s “lived experience” as a gay man? Gaytrending isn’t about some subjective “truth.”

      “People’s spoken truths are truths?” Let me introduce you to narcissistic personality disorder and other Cluster B personality disorders. See also Donald J. Trump. With the personality-disordered and especially narcissists, emotions and feelings create their “reality.” Their “truth” is whatever they need it to be in that very moment without any regard for logic or consistency. They truly believe it because they need it to be true. Based on their “logic,” they can know your motivations and your own “truth” better than you.

      We should in no way be enabling this and other antisocial tendencies, much less codifying it into law. The worst thing you can do for someone with a personality disorder is to enable and coddle them. It’s cruel, destructive, and unsustainable for them and for everyone else.

      [–]CheesyPeas 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      Read your link.

      What an absolute crock of feels over reals nonsense. None of that rings true for anyone who is not a psychopath.

      Objective rational reality is ALL that matters.

      As PK Dick said, 'Reality is that which when you close your eyes remains'.

      'Oppressive'. Please do me a favour.

      ' Because people's spoken truths are, in and of themselves, truths.'

      Truth ONLY to them. Does not make it real or a fact or objective. Schizophrenics personal truths have them hearing voices and imagining people that do not exist. Should we validate those 'feelings' as well? Or treat them as they should be treated? As nothing but an apparition of the mind.

      A disorder. Nothing more.

      You cannot change objective reality with feelings. Ever.

      [–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

      Knowledge is socially constructed and the result of political processes, and therefore objective truth is unattainable and irrelevant except in that some people make unjustified claims upon having access to it. These unjustified claims create a form of hegemonic dominance that needs to be deconstructed and dismantled through manipulations within the discourses at the level of the meanings of ideas.

      [–]CheesyPeas 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      'Knowledge is socially constructed'

      Yet more complete nonsense. So science is not evidence based then? But somehow a magical fairy comes down and creates it? Knowledge is based on experimentation and observed and measured results.

      You are a bell end mate.

      'These unjustified claims create a form of hegemonic dominance that needs to be deconstructed and dismantled through manipulations within the discourses at the level of the meanings of ideas.'

      Word salad. Does not mean a thing. Are you trying to be an academic? This kind of meaningless claptrap goes down well in those circles.

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        [–]CheesyPeas 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Ah, ok. I did wonder. But honestly it's hard to tell. The genuine levels of idiocy from many here is indistinguishable from the trolls.

        Thanks.

        [–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Nope! This is real life Critical Theory, which is powering the riots right now.

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              [–]JulienMayfair 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Subjectivity is valuable because people's lived experiences are valuable

              . . . except, apparently, for a bunch of gay men not attracted to a female-bodied person whose lived experience of not wanting a female-bodied person at their private sex party is here construed as cruel and heartless.

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                [–]Uranian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                No, it's homosexuality, same sex desire and I will not be schooled by some random on the internet about how much of a wrongmo I am for not wanting to have sex with females.

                [–]copenseethe 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                That female is a man, you bigot! s/

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                  [–]C3P0 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  You heard him, lesbians. Better get used to that feminine dick or you're a cissexist and a transphobe.

                  [–]yayblueberries 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  You act like that's something new and unique and that no lesbian has ever heard that before. Fucking false. Lesbians have been forced to accept dick since the beginning of time, there is nothing more hated in society still than a lesbian because men are rapists.

                  [–]flugegeheimen 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  there is nothing more hated in society still than a lesbian

                  Lol, imagine being this ridiculously deluded. It's not like anyone even needs research to prove it's bullshit, just compare how gays and lesbians have been treated by law "since the beginning of time". Unfortunately it requires at least a double-digit IQ, so it's out of reach for a typical "REEE women most affected" feminist.

                  because men are rapists.

                  I said "deluded"? I meant deranged.

                  [–]Wahwah 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Your response was actually kind and balanced.

                  He set himself up for failure, no one can make other people desire them, and even more unappealing it gets when they are bullied for it e.g. transphobic. That too only 2 months into transition.

                  I think it's best to keep the identity clear that they are trans and live a happy life without entitlements, people who like them will do so naturally.

                  [–]iraelmossadreddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                  Sir Isaac Newton

                  he was a fraud who claimed davinci and others work as his own...

                  [–]AsInBeer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                  The universal theory of gravity was di Vinvci huh? And calculus?

                  [–]iraelmossadreddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  google for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and newtons law of motion comes up and says he said it but davinci said that hundreds of years earlier in a notebook...they all had access to his other notebooks. some that are still secret. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a hidden or lost book where he invented calculs too.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz%E2%80%93Newton_calculus_controversy

                  there are also some indians where they had missionarries that claim they invented calculus hundreds of years earlier. hes also accused of fraud on other things like Hooke claimed Newton's theory of light and color was stolen from ideas he produced 7 years earlier (in 1665)

                  [–]AsInBeer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  The Newton Leibniz dispute is famous. There is no way divinvi invented calculus because it itself was dependent on certain recent advances in math and notation. Saying there is X, even if that is true and I am not aware that it is, is far far different than proving it is true mathematically, quantifiying it and then using that development to prove that it appiles to everything from planets to apples, not to mention the notations and proofs. If davinci had done this, he'd have told people and used it.

                  Davinci was great. Sure he was. But anyway the pointof myu post was not to examine far off theories about Newton's relatve contributions. Peace/.

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                      [–][deleted] 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

                      The hell is a cis? So was this a female pretending to be male that got rejected at a sausage fest or a male halfway transitioned? I have no idea what this story means.

                      [–]slushpilot 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

                      "cis" means normal. If it's followed by -man or -woman, you can just ignore it in the sentence and it will make more sense.

                      [–]Trajan 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                      It’d be like inventing a new label for humans possessing two arms.

                      [–]PrimeWolf88 12 insightful - 7 fun12 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

                      Two arm supremacist!

                      [–]MayCauseDrowsiness 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Bibrachia master race.

                      [–]C3P0 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                      I'm a zeroplegic cis anthropoid myself. Did that sentence tell you anything about me?

                      [–]Uranian 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                      She's a woman who "feels like a man", whatever that means. She has a female body and no dick and she toddled along to a gay male sex party which, as any fule kno, is going to be all about dicks. Now she's butt-hurt that she was rejected. Get over it, sis and see a therapist. Your feelings are not a normal variant of human experience.

                      [–]yousaythosethings 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                      You missed the part where she wishes she were butthurt. Although something tells me that it would be a wake-up call if she were.

                      [–]NutsToReddit 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      A cis is someone without gender dysphoria.

                      [–]adultmanhwa 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      just ignore that "cis", it's unimportant knowledge and just giving them more power for their strangeness. in the end this crazy ppl will get destroyed eventually, let them enjoy their last time.

                      https://files.catbox.moe/j2v754.jpg

                      [–]jet199 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      Don't always ignore it. It's often used as a slur. "Die cis scum" and "kill all cis" are a quite common thing to see in trans groups. William Shatner even caused outrage recently when he said he wouldn't use it because it's almost always pared with an insult or threat. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2020/08/08/william-shatner-tangles-with-trans-twitter-over-the-word-cisgender/

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                        [–]Dravidian 17 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

                        s/gendercritical welcome friends

                        [–]Chipit[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

                        Wow...it literally says in the rules they remove opposing opinions. Just...wow.

                        [–]slushpilot 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                        There is a separate debate space for that: s/gcdebatesqt

                        [–]Questionable 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                        Right. Because 'welcome' means 'go away'. We'll be 'Critical of Gender' someplace else. Someplace that doesn't ban people for their opinions or contributions. Preferably someplace that doesn't try to corral you into a side forum, and isn't ran by radical feminist that think being critical of genders means 'safe space for woman, specifically lesbians.'

                        Fairly certain that s/debatealtright/ would not recoil in fear of such topics, in fact, I'm certain they would welcome the debate.

                        Ĥ̅͛ǝ̮̺͕̲̰llo ʍoɹlp' I,m Qnǝsʇᴉouɐqlǝ.̬̘̟ͅ

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                          [–]Questionable 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                          Right. Which is why they openly challenge you to debate. Because they will use your facts for their agenda and rhetoric, in order to abuse statistics to propagate xenophobia and racism in every space they can. And like the cowards they are, they will talk about this openly.

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                            [–]Questionable 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            To be honest. I was just parroting your own ɯords back at you, to try and ga̷̹̎in more understa̷̹̎nding on the matter. Tha̷̹̎nk you for your insight.

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                              [–]slushpilot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              I personally don't feel great about excluding actual honest debate from the main GC sub, but it was absolutely a problem on Reddit when uninformed newcomers would post the same tired arguments & talking points, and derail the sub to focus on "whataboutism", men's problems or trans problems, etc.

                              I don't think it's a question of being above criticism, but it is a question of numbers. When you're in the minority, you have to put up some walls.

                              [–]ISaidWhatISaid 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              Wow, GCdebatesQT has moved to Saidit too? I saw they too got deleted during the last purge. Awesome! Subscribed!

                              [–]comradeconradical 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                              Just like trans forums remove so called 'terf' rhetoric. Unless a forum is made for debate, its usually safe to consider it an 'echo chamber' of the group's opinions. This happens for many, if not most, perspectives. For better or for worse.

                              [–]Chipit[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                              Actually no. This doesn't happen. It's telling that you're so used to it that you assume everyone else uses censorship by default, though.

                              [–]comradeconradical 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                              haha "this doesn't happen" ok then bud :)

                              It doesn't take a genius to notice this occurs in many spaces, and to deny it is just to be ignorant of a glaringly obvious internet phenomenon. Check out any political space.

                              [–]Questionable 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              Right. Unless you are male. Then I am informed you are explicitly not welcome there, because of your gender.

                              " If you're feeling extra ass hurt about not being invited into a women's space where they want to discuss things that affect them, then take a step back and go find something more productive with your time."

                              Because only lesbians are allowed to be critical of gender roles, no men allowed. Men can not be friends. They are to be outcast and insulted. Especially if they use critical thinking skills in the gender critical sub, where you are explicitly told not to be criti̶cal. And for some reason are told that using the terms 'cross dressing, or 'trans' are slurs and will get you banned. In the sub that is agai̶nst tr̵̓̔ans people.

                              I'm sorry, I'm not insane enough to follow rules, set out fo̵r me by people who can't even define what it means to be 'gender critical'. I don't eat paste. I don't sniff glue. I understand that two plus two equals four. Pass, no thank you!͜ don't invite people into your closed community under the guise of friendship, where the general public is clearly no̵t welcome.

                              Ĥ̅͛ǝ̮̺͕̲̰llo ʍoɹlp' I,m Qnǝsʇᴉouɐqlǝ.̬̘̟ͅ

                              [–]lazy-summer-god 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              Nice echo chambre you've got there, buddy. I suggest to keep it to yourself...

                              [–]PrimeWolf88 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                              I might be a horrible person as I found this hilarious.

                              Newsflash: most gays dislike being called queers, so obviously the ones that don't use that term aren't going to be into your science experiment of a body. Secondly what idiot goes to a gay sex orgy and expects people to then have straight sex?

                              [–]lazy-summer-god 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              Ehh... They CAN brainwash and threaten people into saying that they're real men or even into actually thinking that this is the case, but every reality check trans people will encounter will just brutally ignore it, because you can't brainwash or threaten reality.

                              I feel sorry for this person. I believe they are just a suffering soul who got baited and abused by trans agenda trying to force the entire world into play pretend game. If trans people would instead be taught – like all of us LGB people were – to accept themselves for who they are instead of running away from it, perhaps their suicide stats wouldn't be so horrendous.

                              Just look at this irony: they were clumped with us in one acronym for no reason and yet they still failed to take one of the most important lesson that we're preaching; went the most ridiculous way possible instead.

                              [–]NorfolkTerrier 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                              The OP is being delusional, but the friend is a real prick too. What did he think would happen? If you're someone's friend it's your job to be real and keep them from hurting themselves. The OP can't be objective but anyone else could have been.

                              Hoping this is just a creative writing project.

                              [–]jet199 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              These people's friends are usually delusional and fully paid up members of the cult too.

                              I mean they cut any one out of their lives who isn't then wonder why they have no sane support.

                              [–]Uranian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              Woman not welcome at gay male sex party shocker. I'm a gay man and I wouldn't go to a scene like that because a) I don't much like casual sex with strangers and b) I don't feel confident at all about my body, so why on earth did she toddle along with her fully female body and expect everyone to be into it? She set herself up for this and now she's whining. Deal with your issues, come out as a straight woman and enjoy the body you were born in.

                              [–]asterias 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                              What is this modern trend, women going through sex change operations so that they can be railed by gay men? Wouldn't they be better off finding a normal man as normal women?

                              What was really amusing was how she reassured herself there was no health issue because that happened pre-covid. So the worst thing you can contract at a gay orgy with total strangers is covid?

                              Anyway, she could appear naked infront of a man and get what she wanted and probably more instead of putting herself through those bizarre situations.

                              [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              Different types of insanity don't mix. Surprise, surprise.

                              [–]ISaidWhatISaid 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

                              F2Ms/TIFs/transmen/whatever you wanna call them are no longer the self-loating lesbians of old, nowadays F2Ms are oversexed predatory bi/straight women who fetishize gay men and gay sex and want in on the action. Also, they definitely do not have crippling bottom dysphoria, they just LIE about that in the social media to get everyone to feel sorry for them, but then they go and get fisted in Tobi's movies. Crippling bottom dysphoria my ass. These predatory F2Ms just want a gay man to fistfuck them and pretending to be a man in an alt-porn movie is the only way for them to realize that fantasy. You know how some straight cis conservative women like to fantasize about having sex with their priest because see that as the ultimate unattainable sexual taboo? That's F2Ms for you, only they replace the priest with a gay man, because they see a gay man as the ultimate unattainable sexual taboo. It's really disgusting sexual objectification, because unlike the conservative housewife who fantasizes about fucking her priest but keeps her thoughts to herself, the F2Ms actually demand sexual access to gay men, going into gay bath houses and getting their dumbasses thrown out and bitching about it. No one sees it for what it is because here it's a woman fetishizing a man and that's supposed to be sexual empowerment or something. As if gay men are just everybody's fucktoy and have no preferences of their own - preferences that just do not involve women.

                              [–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                              You know how some straight cis conservative women like to fantasize about having sex with their priest because see that as the ultimate unattainable sexual taboo?

                              No. I don't know that, and neither does anyone else. The rest of your post was similarly incomprehensible. It relies on a stream of consciousness that the rest of us aren't privy to. The fact that you can throw something like "Tobi's movies" out there with no explanation and expect everyone to know what you're talking about is the embodiment of the Dunning-Krueger Effect.

                              [–]ISaidWhatISaid 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                              and neither does anyone else

                              Speak for yourself. Most people are aware of the fact that women have taboo fantasies about unobtainable sex partners. That's why this woman pretending to be a man wanted to infiltrate a gay orgy, because she too had fantasies about unobtainable sex partners, in this specific case unobtainable gay men who would never have sex with her a woman and wouldn't have sex with her as a transman either.

                              The fact that you can throw something like "Tobi's movies" out there with no explanation and expect everyone to know what you're talking about

                              "Tobi's movies" is a reference to Tobi-Hill Meyer, the t-porn filmmaker from Washington State who became their LGBT Commissioner.

                              is the embodiment of the Dunning-Krueger Effect

                              So you're gonna diagnose me over a single post? OK, blocked.

                              [–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              Most people are aware of the fact

                              Nope. No, they aren't. You live in an echo chamber.

                              "Tobi's movies" is a reference to Tobi-Hill Meyer, the t-porn filmmaker from Washington State who became their LGBT Commissioner.

                              Who? You sure this person is widely known? Or just widely known in the tiny circles you move in?

                              The fact that you just threw it out there and expected everyone to be on the same page is pure Dunning-Krueger.

                              [–]cattiewow 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                              This is just the disgusting moral decay of this society. Fucking entitled and disgusting moral compasses here. Yuck.

                              [–]jet199 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                              Wait until you hear about the transman who died of AIDS and found it validating.

                              http://imgur.com/a/LdD5mC6

                              [–]suckitreddit 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              LOL. What a freak.

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                                [–]Happy_face_caller 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                                This reminds me when someone brings het women to Lesbian events. They cling on to who brought them with a deer in headlights look as everyone is creeped out and ignores them, I mean what is going on in your mind to come to our events. It’s where we get a break from the burden of comphet and judgement from women just like this. I mean our events aren’t like when you kiss another girl for a drink in your her bars.

                                It’s just awkward for everyone involved

                                [–]thinkaboutit 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

                                Who fucking cares about this nonsense.

                                Chipit, I would've maybe gone 24 hours without reading about trans mental illness if it wasn't for you. Why are you constantly talking about trans stuff chipit?

                                And who is upvoting this crap?

                                [–]jet199 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                You'll care when they change the laws and throw you in prison for hate crimes for not sucking ladydick.

                                This isn't even a joke.

                                https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/19/porn-star-accused-transphobia-refusing-sex-model-penis-10946108/

                                [–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                saiditter for 2 hours

                                24 hours, really?

                                [–]ISaidWhatISaid 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                                But of course #ThisNeverHappens according to TERFs because TIFs are all poor little self-loathing lesbians, not oversexed straight women fetishizing gay men.

                                [–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                To be fair a few of these gay transmen have come out as lesbians once they detransitioned. Its a great way to avoid sex and intimacy but make it everyone else's fault.

                                Also you get those who even when trans only go out with other transmen.

                                Of course most will be straight though because the majority of people are.

                                [–]VimRazz 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                You seem to have gotten your wires crossed. First, #ThisNeverHappens is about documenting assaults by transgender people that do happen. It gets it's name from the "that never happens, you're just a bigot" excuse that transactivists like to use whenever the topic comes up.

                                Second, it's pretty well acknowledged that a large number of TiFs have been straight girls coming out of yaoi and slash communities over the last few years, where identity politics have established very strong footholds. The numbers of TiFs who are lesbians is disproportionately high compared to the general population, but it's not all or even most of the current wave.

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