My magnora7 account just got IPbanned by reddit

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[–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I appreciate your practical discussion you linked in OP. If the attackers & pedos upvote each other, wouldn't that help track/ban them faster? Like, sure a regular user my accidentally upvote the wrong thing, but if it happens to different posts on different threads then that's a good indication to check/ban that user too. Obviously it could be circumvented (which offers only temporary respite) or abused (causing frustrations similar to what you linked. But I figured it was promising enough to mention.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

If the attackers & pedos upvote each other, wouldn't that help track/ban them faster?

I actually mentioned this in the original post. They know about this and upvote other things to make this sort of detection more difficult. It's typical they will "age" the accounts by pretending to be a normal user for a week or two, and then switching over to propaganda promotion mode, which makes it harder to detect, and they know that which is why they do it. It's an arms race in a way, and some of these people are quite skilled at destroying forums

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I'm ignorant of the whole game, but it does seem like it forces strong measures. I don't like zero tolerance stuff, but I suppose a 1 strike and you're out would be fine with hidden, randomized 'aging' before removing the strike. Thus an accident won't result in a ban, but doing it repeatedly would. And they wouldn't know when they get to misbehave again. It wouldn't solve the problem -- rotating accounts would work -- but it does stifle it and drag out the process to where it can hopefully be drowned out unless there are truly huge number of accounts being made. Just my two cents.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

unless there are truly huge number of accounts being made

Yeah we're talking about individuals making hundreds or thousands of accounts singlehandedly, so yes that's part of the territory

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh wow... I assume there are methods to detect that. There can't be enough VPN'd IPs to manage that consistently, although I admit that finding them after the fact would be no easy task. I assume human-checking has to be a necessary part of the equation at that point. I hope saidit has someone doing that. Not that I would want to be the one poor guy who's job is to figure out what they are up to.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There can't be enough VPN'd IPs to manage that consistently

That is unfortunately incorrect.

We have algorithms, but it's a real battle tbh

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well that shows how much I bother to ban evade. I figure if someone doesn't want me around, then I don't need to be there. Even if I get banned for arbitrary or stupid reasons that are out of your control (as has happened on both subsaidits and subreddits), I still figure they aren't worth my engagement at that point.

I don't have much else to add but I will point out that the "context" button when replying in the unread area does a really poor job of actually providing context. And also, you might want to do a short AMA. Saidit is small enough, I would hope you're unlikely to be trolled too hard during it. But that could be my optimism talking.