r/animemes bans the word 'trap'. Userbase floods the sub with trap memes.

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[–]VimRazz 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

This is such trash.

Just because a boy doesn't fit with whatever bullshit societal stereotypes you think are appropriate for boys, that doesn't mean he's not a boy.

Just because a girl doesn't fit with whatever bullshit societal stereotypes you think are appropriate for girls, that doesn't mean she's not a girl.

Just because various alternate interpretations of a fictional character may present them in different ways, with different motivations, or different desires, that doesn't change the core identity of the character.

Just because you may have some personal fetish or fantasy that makes you want to think of a fictional character in a particular way, that doesn't change the core identity of the character, either.

The only thing your "argument" here shows is that you're too shallow to look past your favored biases and stereotypes.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Don't feed the troll.

[–]VimRazz 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fair enough.

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just because a boy doesn't fit with whatever bullshit societal stereotypes you think are appropriate for boys, that doesn't mean he's not a boy.

Gendered behaviour is not a social construct. Also, Astolfo has a woman's face. Not even a normal woman's face, but a hyper-feminine woman's face. I'm going by her body and making a statement about sex, so even if gendered behaviour was a social construct, my argument would still be correct.

Just because you may have some personal fetish or fantasy that makes you want to think of a fictional character in a particular way

Wut? No. Trust me, I have no such reasoning for my argument.

that doesn't change the core identity of the character.

Which is exactly what I said. Astolfo - as in, the anime character - is who he is. I'm talking about Astolfo the character people jerk off to in hentai. Two very different characters. And the people jerking off to her in hentai aren't thinking "Ohhh yeahhh suck that cock you knight who has this background." They are staring at a woman's face, a typical anime-woman's body who is behaving in typical hentai-girl fashion - except she has a flat chest and a dick. She's a dickgirl. The "core identity" of the character does not matter in this case exactly because that's not what people care about. A gigantic amount of the people jerking off to her (I would argue the vast majority) have never seen the anime. They don't know anything about a knight. They know nothing about some guy in some anime. All they see is a hyperfeminine dickgirl, and that's why they jerk off to her: because they are attracted to women and likely aroused by the taboo aspect of a dickgirl specifically.

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

(Also /u/1donteven )

Maybe I'm not explaining my case well. Let me try this again with a thought experiment. Imagine you do not care about nor know anything about anime, you simply like hentai and like jerking off to it. You have already been a fan of hentai for many years, and it has made you interested in some things you wouldn't have imagined being interested in or aroused by before. You sit down at your computer, open gelbooru and browse for pictures. You come across a picture of Astolfo. You look at it. You see a face that, were it real, would be one of the most feminine faces any woman has ever had and even for anime girls - who are already drawn in a hyperfeminine style - is unusually feminine. You look at the body, which is slender and feminine and features a flat chest - a staple in hentai. You look further down and see a penis. "Ah," you think. "A dickgirl. Why not!" and you begin to jerk off. Later images only serve to cement your idea of who this character is (in the context of hentai, at least): a hyperfeminine, submissive dickgirl.

Only when a person knows the source material does the character suddenly become a "boy."

For the last few years, leftists have often tried to apply the concept of postmodernism to literature by way of the concept of the "death of the author," which seeks to tell us that authorial intent is equally as good as anybody else's interpretation of the work. I've often argued against this. At the same time - as with anything else - an issue can be taken too far in either direction, not just the one. This here is a case where authorial intent actively runs counter to perception: a character who looks more womanly than even a very feminine woman and at least in depictions in hentai - which for most people are the only ones they are exposed to - behaves like a stereotypical anime girl is supposedly a "man."

Yet, the only thing that differentiates this from this is the tags. So, if there is anything you take away from this post, it's to please ask yourself the question what differentiates these two characters in these two pictures and whether whatever you deem the difference actually matters to the people who consume this content.