Why I am deeply alarmed by reddit censorship

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[–]lairacunda 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No, you see. Subs, (and here too), are created with different intentions in mind. Why should people who want to discuss ideas or concepts with others who basically agree with them, have to contend with all the people who disagree with them, AND in all the ways they could possibly disagree with them? At the end of the day maybe you just want to have a conversation without having to justify and defend yourself constantly. Mods agree with the intention of the sub and help keep the space productive and enjoyable for the intended users. There are places that are created with a "debate", change-my-mind outlook. But there are others that are clearly for a particular group of people. They are not and shouldn't be all-inclusive. People with minority opinions should be able to find other like-minded people. Minority opinions can get drowned out by sheer force of numbers. This is known as "brigading". If people stayed in their own lanes, maybe banning would not be necessary. Banning is the only way to ensure QC. Though on Reddit it's a joke because the bans are by user name and not by computer address. Nothing prevents people from brigading under multiple accounts. Plus. depending on who you are, the admins don't give a shit.

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[–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

And we've seen how completely and utterly destructive that kind of thinking leads, so maybe it's better that people put up with the mild inconvenience of having to defend their position whenever they express it, and actually learn how to connect with other people and debate properly -- or even worse, learning how to just ignore people who say such things and not respond to them at all.

Or we can all continue to get more and more violent and kill each other in a massive civil war that will collapse the country and allow other countries (Russia, China) to get ahold of our nukes. That would totally be the better option than having to defend our own opinoins

[–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There are places and there should be places where we can all gather together. But then there are places where you really just want to be with "your own", whatever that may be. I'm someone with minority positions and outlooks, I'm also a minority many times over and belong to many fairly powerless subgroupings and demographics. I don't have "popular opinions" and don't wish to be homogenized into the greater whole. I disagree that I should have to continuously defend and justify myself in unproductive and often infuriating conversations, just so everyone feels "included". I should be able to find others who are like me and agree with me. Making everyone partake with everyone is what gets people killed or their cultures destroyed. What you describe as a "mild inconvenience" is not benign but rather closer to forced assimilation.

[–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I disagree that I should have to continuously defend and justify myself in unproductive and often infuriating conversations, just so everyone feels "included".

And we've all seen where that kind of frustration leads us. It might suck for you, but if you're finding you have to constantly defend yourself when talking to other people, the problem might not be them, the problem might be you and who you're hanging around with.

[–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think we're done here. Arguing this point is unproductive and we're not going to change the other's mind. Remember this conversation if you're ever in a situation where you just want some space or to be with your own but someone louder, richer, bigger and more powerful insists on joining you and being part of your group, insists on actually being you, and you're just a bigot if you don't agree, don't love them, don't want to have sex with them, be friends, etc. Remember this conversation when they get you fired from your job, stalked and doxxed for not agreeing that whoever and whatever you are, your identity, is up for grabs and that you owe them because they and their allies say so.

[–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, you are a douchebag.