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    [–]ThePlague 40 insightful - 3 fun40 insightful - 2 fun41 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    It's not a "default white space" if anyone of any race can go there. So, if there are "places for minorities to meet up and support each other", there should likewise be places for whites to do the same. Fair is fair, after all.

    [–]emptiedriver 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    the difference is generally there's no such thing as "white" as a broad culture - there's german, italian, irish, british, polish, Russian, but the overall "white culture" is a mix to the degree that sometimes hispanic is and sometimes it isn't included... For "black", there is a group of people in the US who descend from slaves and therefore lost their ancestry and share a history of overcoming that.

    white people a) don't even share the common history of being slaveowners since some never were and b) don't need to share a history based on that. So then what is "being white" that's being celebrated?

    [–]ThePlague 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Common European ancestry. We descendants of Europe have a great deal to be proud of, including building the most advanced civilization the world has ever known. The fact that we can communicate as we are right now is tribute to that.

    [–]emptiedriver 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    India, China, Japan, Egypt, all over asia and the middle east did as much "civilization building" as Europe. Just because someone has the same color skin as some successful countries they claim heritage to things? A darker skinned person may have a much more direct ancestral link to a much more advanced nation, by the sorts of metrics you are considering. Iceland, Poland, Slovenia or Wales may not necessarily have a story of great technology and colonization to tell when compared to Iran, Turkey, Egypt or India, for example.

    Being near other countries is a random connection when you speak different languages, have different foods, cultures, religious traditions, laws, needs, and resources. The world is big, history is long, and a lot of things happened in a lot of places beyond just whatever particular events you are considering important. There are periods of great expanse and then of nothing for centuries in a lot of regions, there are exchanges and then separations, successes and failures.

    In the end it's just weird to get stuck on looking similar to some of the people who did some of the notable things during particular periods. If you're looking for merit comparisons why aren't you focused on people with high standardized test scores or some other actual proof of personal capacity? Visually resembling people who may have achieved things in previous centuries is not impressive.

    [–]ThePlague 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    India, China, Japan, Egypt, all over asia and the middle east did as much "civilization building" as Europe.

    Oh, really? How many men have any of those countries put on the moon? My point was "most advanced civilization" that the world has ever seen. Europe, and their descendants, are responsible for that. As well as harnessing steam power, virtually all major scientific breakthroughs of the last 500 year (Galileo, Newton, Gauss, Maxwell, Gibbs, Boltzman, Einstein, Fermi, Bohr, Feynman, Hawkings, etc), harnessing electricity, harnessing the atom, computers, the internet, etc.

    [–]emptiedriver 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Again, did you go to the moon? Should a Russian with light skin have more pride about that than a dark skinned American who works for NASA? It isn't about the melanin.

    [–]ThePlague 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We're talking about pride in white culture, not personal pride. So whether I have or have not gone to the moon is irrelevant. What is relevant is the culture that enabled such a feat, which is European-descended.