Reddit and Hate Speech

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[–]High_and_Lonesome 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Yesterday on reddit, I personally received at least 4 replies with very hateful and absurd language about conservatives.

[–]AFutureConcern 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Please remember that the word "hate" has two meanings:

  • The ordinary definition: expressing extreme dislike of something
  • The newspeak definition: expressing any kind of anti-egalitarian thought; that one group is better than another in some way

The newspeak definition is used to enforce what the blogger Spandrell has termed "bioleninism" - the raising up of the weak at the expense of the strong. Given that the weak cannot succeed on their own, this means they have greater loyalty to the bioleninist system which gives them unearned power. It's made explicit in the chosen categories; "race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability" are stated, and this means people of color, Muslims, foreigners, immigrants, genderspecials, and disabled people form the bioleninist coalition.

The definition would never cover "hate" against conservatives because that can't exist; the only purpose the term serves is to raise the weak up, and since conservatives generally oppose that, no amount of hatred would ever count as "hate" against conservatives.

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The bioleninism thing is gay because it restates the obvious and acts like the means are the end. The true end is the destruction of the white race, not some silly drive for power qua Orwell. So let me fix a sentence:

The definition would never cover "hate" against conservatives because that can't exist; the only purpose the term serves is to raise the weak up, and since conservatives generally oppose that, no amount of hatred would ever count as "hate" against conservatives.

Becomes:

The definition would never cover "hate" against conservatives because that can't exist; the only purpose the term serves is to destroy and attack white people, and since conservatives are generally white and at least pretend to be for white interests, no amount of hatred would ever count as "hate" against conservatives.

[–]AFutureConcern 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think that the observation that these disparate groups would actually be more loyal due to their lack of earned status is a unique and useful one, so I don't think bioleninism merely restates the obvious.

You are right that the end goal is the destruction of the white race, I think that it's driven largely by envy of success which ties into the bioleninist concept. I'll accept your rewritten sentence though, it's correct. (Speculation upon what would happen were whites less successful is maybe a nice intellectual exercise but it's not particularly useful)

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

, I think that it's driven largely by envy of success which ties into the bioleninist concept. I'll accept your rewritten sentence though, it's correct. (Speculation upon what would happen were whites less successful is maybe a nice intellectual exercise but it's not particularly useful)

I still think you got it wrong here. Let's be real - it's probably due to the Holocaust and the destruction of the 2nd temple. If whites were less successful it'd just be quicker.

I think that the observation that these disparate groups would actually be more loyal due to their lack of earned status is a unique and useful one, so I don't think bioleninism merely restates the obvious.

I think it's a wrong idea insofar as it's not totally trivial. Black people like welfare paid for by whitey? Who knew. Spandrell is the new intellect for the 21st century... not. There's a reason why he's a one post wonder. Quite frankly he wreaks of Moldbug's tribe and his post is a distractor from the JQ.

As for how loyal they are compared to others -- I didn't see the citations on this. Wasn't this just blatant speculation? Hardly good work.

Not to mention: who cares? What does people being slightly more loyal have to do with anything? Do Jews know this? No. It's about destroying white people. So you side with nonwhites and sick whites. That's why. It's not because they're secretly biolenist enlightened NRxers.

[–]AFutureConcern 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I still think you got it wrong here. Let's be real - it's probably due to the Holocaust and the destruction of the 2nd temple. If whites were less successful it'd just be quicker.

This is true of elites, but can't explain why the masses go along with the program.

Not to mention: who cares? What does people being slightly more loyal have to do with anything?

The mystery is why does a misfit bunch of degenerates not fall apart within 5 minutes? Purely racial in-group theories of loyalty don't explain what keeps these people relatively cohesive. Of course the explanation is speculative but it makes intuitive sense.

Do Jews know this? No. It's about destroying white people. So you side with nonwhites and sick whites. That's why. It's not because they're secretly biolenist enlightened NRxers.

I agree here, actually. I don't think that it's planned out using NRx theory. I do think that NRx is a useful way to view what's going on, though.

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is true of elites, but can't explain why the masses go along with the program.

Oh, that's just because the masses are a domesticated slave race lmao. Occasionally aberrations like me and maybe you happen and we end up dead if in a shithole country or posting stuff like this if not.

The mystery is why does a misfit bunch of degenerates not fall apart within 5 minutes?

What do you mean? I don't know of any trannies at the top or anything like that. The people who make the decisions are generally intelligent, 120+ IQ based on some studies. Most are in fact Jewish men. They also might formally coordinate.

Of course the explanation is speculative but it makes intuitive sense.

Nah, it's a totally race-blind red herring that makes way too many assumptions.

I agree here, actually. I don't think that it's planned out using NRx theory. I do think that NRx is a useful way to view what's going on, though.

It's totally not because it's a race blind red herring. Meanwhile these people occassionally actually write about wanting to abolish whiteness and being mad over the Holocaust. My theory is literally what they're thinking, not a race blind mental masturbation session that is only relevant to reality because it results in similar outcomes if true (it doesn't result in all the same outcomes which is why it's wrong. This gets at another issue with NRx writers - they're really reckless and negligent epistemically. They put out these grand theories with 5th grade understandings of the facts at hand. It's obvious Spandrell knows the bare minimum level of detail about the Bolsheviks and what is going on today from the way that he only engages with the vaguest of notions, and only says the broadest understandings. The writing is totally devoid of historical detail. Same with Moldbug. For some reason they thought that this poor understanding was good enough to start forming theories with. They obviously write more than they read, a huge no-no.)

[–]AFutureConcern 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, it's a totally race-blind red herring that makes way too many assumptions.

I wouldn't count neoreaction as race-blind. Most neoreactionaries are very HBD-aware.

Meanwhile these people occasionally actually write about wanting to abolish whiteness and being mad over the Holocaust.

Yeah this was embarrassing from Moldbug, though I suppose what you'd expect given his heritage.

The writing is totally devoid of historical detail. Same with Moldbug. For some reason they thought that this poor understanding was good enough to start forming theories with. They obviously write more than they read, a huge no-no.

I think this is a very unfair characterization, at least of Moldbug. Watching some recent interviews with him he seems to be very well-read. In fact many have noted that a lot of his ideas simply piece together older reactionaries as well as Hoppe's ideas on democracy and monarchy, so if anything the criticism is that he's unoriginal. Spandrell... maybe you have a point, though I've not read too much of his stuff.