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[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (32 children)

The problem is not just reddit. It is social media as a whole and by extension, geopolitics as well; which has reared its ugly head onto the internet.

Reddit became too big, and was then infiltrated due to the inherent paranoia of institutional forces not being able to control the narrative and allow free expression. Henceforth, the subversion tactics of derailing and altering debate by agents within the community. The same issue is everywhere, perhaps even on saidit? It is usually the most prominent posters that diligently work themselves to higher point account; but checking upon their post history will reveal a biased narrative along specific paths. It would also be those same agents, that accuse everyone else of wrong doing and will inflame tensions within debates to stifle free thinking or commenting. They seek to take over "the space" by muscling everyone out of having a voice. Thusly, they end up privatizing upon the whole site and taking it over against the freedom it posits.

TLDR: Social media is a dumpster fire because of based posters. Check out their high point status and insults (granted they will call you out on your temporary activity instead)!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

Reddit became too big, and was then infiltrated due to the inherent paranoia of institutional forces not being able to control the narrative and allow free expression.

They're not paranoid. They are correct.

Western governments have a limited ability to use physical force against their citizens. So they can't control the public's bodies, so they have to control their minds. So, propaganda is their most important tool.

They know that the overwhelming majority of the public are honest and decent.

They know that if the public understands what's really happening that they will organize to dismantle the current system, and reform their communities.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Right, that social control can also be achieved through business protocols but another peculiarity is that once reddit purged some of its user-base; other sites became deranged and authoritatively maniacal as well. Voat, poal, raddle etc. etc.

It seems to be a long con and some ideological network is complicit at these divide and conquer tactics across sites to keep generating toxic content and keeping things hostile. Shills, saboteurs and tyrants, the internet has yet to figure itself out!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

I think the oligarchs and Zionists were surprised by the advanced stage of Reddit and others. They had to react quickly, but probably overreacted.

They deployed shill armies and each community responded differently to the ham handed assaults. Many mistakes were made and they revealed themselves. Propaganda only works if it isn't recognized as such.

There are a number of shills here too.

They can't help but reveal themselves.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Not all of them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Cannot underestimate!

Edit: The internet is already d00m'd!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Are you referring to Chipit/Snow the shill, and suggesting that people don't notice/care?

Or referring to the astroturfing of sites and ads for propaganda/profit?
I agree that this is a problem.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

I am referring to all of the above. There is a basic turing test that bots can pass when interacting with humans. If a significant amount of people can't tell the difference and the interaction goes well, then you could very well be dealing with AI! Or a human shill, or a based ideological poster, or an AI posing as a human shill with biased ideological posts! I point to /u/useless_aether for sure as one of these due to the suspicious nature of his link vomits and self-inflicted communism hysteria. lol

But the internet is murky and will only get worse as time goes on though! The internet is d00m'd.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

issues7, are you [deleted]. You appear to have forgotten which account you are using. what's with that nonsense?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I am referring to all of the above

Who is "I"? Issues7 or [deleted]?
(Credit goes to the astute /u/bobbobbybob; I'm just trying to add clarity).

It's funny to read a shills anti-shill. Particularly, on a "How Reddit Was Destroyed" post.

This is fantastic.

/u/Useless_aether must be doing something right.

I don't always agree with everything he says, but his position is always understandable (and entertaining).

He's very credible. Keep it up bro! ;-)

I cannot say the same about a number of others. Where the message is overly complicated, and inorganically confused.

If the shills want credibility then post some 9/11 truth about the Israeli's who planted the bombs in the WTC buildings.

Or a red pill proving the Holocaust didn't happen in the way the official story claims. Remember that the Jewish community was the first and primary victim.
It was a Zionist scheme to frighten Jewish families into fleeing to Isreal.

"The final solution" was Theodore Hertzel's phrase and idea.

Don't take my word for it. It's in his personal diary.
He was trying to get the Kaiser and Tzar to exile the Jewish people to Isreal which is "plan A".
What is now called "the Holocaust" was the Zionists "plan B".
They needed a way to populate Isreal.

The folks who say they witnessed gas Chambers and hid rings up their asses for years were lying shills.

There's a common theme here.

Hopefully, after looking into the facts about these atrocities you will then red pill yourselves in the process.

Then we'll all welcome you guys back, cause you were never my/our adversary.

We're all getting screwed by the same people.

Edit: cc'ing /u/magnora7, /u/d3rr, /u/JasonCarswell.

You guys could probably use a good laugh.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

unironic comment by [deleted], aka boris.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i am a bot, because i oppose communism, but you fail to notice others (eg dcjogger) who are not actively opposing it. very transparent, boris.

[–]FollowTheMoney 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ideological network

These twats?

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It is usually the most prominent posters that diligently work themselves to higher point account; but checking upon their post history will reveal a biased narrative along specific paths

another hit and run account, and another load of tosh.

Anyone who is posting a lot will show their beliefs. Their political views, their moral views. A person't personality is a biased narrative. To attempt to re-cast that as something sinister is grade A tla paranoia and glows bright. (yes, i know).

It would also be those same agents, that accuse everyone else of wrong doing

you mean like [deleted] is now? ha.

They seek to take over "the space" by muscling everyone out of having a voice

or in this case, attempt to take out the people who have been with the site for ages. I agree there are signs - we've had a lot of people pulling the 'woe me victim' narrative after trolling hard, which should be a red flag, but trolling itself is a glorious artform.

People giving too much time to disruptors and not just calling them faggots is part of the problem. The days of being able to tell an anonymous faggot to 'GKYS' are sadly long gone, now governments shut down the real free speech sites. Well, that anyone will tell you about, anyway.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

People giving too much time to disruptors and not just calling them faggots is part of the problem. The days of being able to tell an anonymous faggot to 'GKYS' are sadly long gone, now governments shut down the real free speech sites. Well, that anyone will tell you about, anyway.

This is too funny!

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

thanks Tom. I was aiming to please :)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone who is posting a lot will show their beliefs. Their political views, their moral views. A person't personality is a biased narrative. To attempt to re-cast that as something sinister is grade A tla paranoia and glows bright.

Yeah, those social media sites where people were calling for violence and whatnot. That was totally not sinister, I'm sure their personalities are very healthy. /s

in this case, attempt to take out the people who have been with the site for ages

Not really. But you can challenge others on seniority if their contribution or performance doesn't match it. The argument is that senior level accounts can stop new comers from participating through attacks or down-voting opposing perspectives; Also how can you take out people as another user? Doesn't even make sense because that wouldn't even be the purpose. Its to stimulate participation through creative challenge to bring down the hive mind! If that offends you so much, clearly your agent like intention can be recognized here.

[–]d3rr 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

If you have investors you must repay and if you mist repay you must turn a profit and if you must turn a profit you must attract advertisers and if you must attract advertisers you must censor undesirables. Throw in an IPO and the next thing you know the Atlantic Council is calling the shots and you're accepting Chinese investment. Destined to fail.

[–]sproketboy 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]whereswhat 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice. You are awesome op.

[–]Hellothereawesome 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Reddut is SO dead... And it's insane how much internet liberty we've lost over the past 7 or so years. I remember back in 2012 every month or so there was a new anti-government interference in the internet thread on reddit that got the most upvotes and that people tried to fight............ and then all of a sudden that is never talked about at all anymore at that level... I dread to think how many bills the government has passed censoring and destroying the internet.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

You also have to understand why the internet was dis empowered so. Various protests like Occupy Wall-street and Middle eastern protests against authoritarian regimes were aided by internet communication. Its why all the respective states began to employ disruptions across the board on these networks. The end game of the state is to keep enabling the few in power and keeping containment on the masses which they will continue to do so because its default human behavior uncorrected.

At this point, the state has enabled a quasi-fascist movement attempting to take off from the internet via right wing authoritarianism but it too doesn't have much merit in the wild, since it is doomed to fail. The proper address to systemic issues is not happening in a balanced manner; so this reactionary environment will lead to further sabotage of the state and all executives involved. Grab some popcorn

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

At this point, the state has enabled a quasi-fascist movement attempting to take off from the internet via maoist/marxist authoritarianism

FTFY

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Actually, it can be both!

It started with maoist/marxist authoritarianism, and now the wanna-be right wing fascists have gotten involved to make things worse.

FTFY.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

It sounds like you are siding with the state, and advocating support for censorship.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Nope. Not even if your life depended on it!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Come on "Issues7" AKA [deleted].

It's obvious.

Give it a rest.

[deleted], at this point I sometimes recommend starting over with a new account, but you already have.
;-)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm still here :)

But if you think its that obvious, then you might just be clueless.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Really??? That's interesting.

So you like to follow up other people's responses and explain their thought process for them?

You said:.

[Deleted] I cannot underestimate! Edit: The internet is already d00m'd!

I responded:.

Are you referring to Chipit/Snow the shill, and suggesting that people don't notice/care?

Or referring to the astroturfing of sites and ads for propaganda/profit? I agree that this is a problem.

Then you came back with this gem:

Issues7: I am referring to all of the above. There is a basic turing test that bots can pass when interacting with humans.... (Blah blah)

BUSTED!

It's also hilarious that you are attempting to shill an AI Turing test bot from a new account, on a post about site subversion and shilling.

You utterly botched it.

You must be going trying to win a worst shill award.

At least the Chipit/Snow shill made me look into the facts.

You win the award for most foolish shilling. This is disgraceful. :-)

You made my day.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad you found your conclusions that made your day. But you did make an error in attempting to copy my reply.

You said:. [Deleted] I cannot underestimate! Edit: The internet is already d00m'd!

I never said I. But the internet is d00m'd and what lurks on the internet shouldn't be underestimated. So are you attempting to conclude that I am a bot? Well you have no way of knowing.

And how exactly am I a shill?

My intention would be to tear down hive bubbles in an attempt to push for further clarity. If that is left wing stuff, so be it. If it is right wring stuff, so be it.

Maybe you are a protector of the veil but I'm not :)

So call and consider me whatever you want. I'm here for my own reasons- botched or not.

[–]JamesirBensonmum 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only way to know is to be inherently suspicious, and sign out of your account after clicking on the permalink of the comment.

Or, you know, just open the link in a private browser window....

[–]sproketboy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Someone post over there. I can't - was banned for a week.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I wasn't even being racist or anything, just questioning their biased narrative and the mod dude was like you are banned for a day,

well I said ban me permanently and they said.. nawww.

I was like wtf.

[–]Horrux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The alternative that is needed is a nazi-like social media: one with a sense of right and wrong, where leftist idiocy is reported and banned.

FREE SPEECH social media means shills and invasions.