MGTOW is bullshit and we all know it. C'mon nigga get real.

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[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (36 children)

Clearly you don't understand MGTOW.
Half of what you said supports their case.
The other half completely misinterprets their case.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (35 children)

I don't disagree with MGTOW...IF you can take them at face value...but if you've spent any amount of time investigating it you know it's horseshit. There might be a few good eggs but it's by far, a bunch of men who hate women.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

What is the strongest argument for "no woman should be hated"?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

That's not what I implied.

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You don't disagree with it, but think it's horseshit?

[–]Foidblaster9000 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

The way I took her comment was looking at it like how something with a solid point is presented versus how it ends up in practice when subverted towards chaos

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good way to put it. I don't have a problem with anyone who doesn't want to pursue a romantic relationship, that's fine. The group is full of bitter people though.

[–]Node 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Many groups in real life have some degree of a non-qualifying fringe. I remember when theredpill started on reddit, it was practical and rational. Then around 5000 subscribers it became known as "the worst sub on reddit", and retarded angry assholes started flooding in, due to the false promotion.

IMO, the non-qualified have no effect on the ideas or philosophies they claim (or just imply) they represent. Even if 99% of claimers are fakes, that doesn't give them any authority to represent something they don't.

u/Melodic_Programmer

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Your points are fair.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I didn't start off very well with my first reply.

[–]Foidblaster9000 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

They don't have authority, but at the same time they end up with some sort of power to segway that by the nature of most social platforms. People come to those platforms to learn about a concept, but end up refusing to do the actual footwork and research themselves or even just read provided material presented in the box thing (I don't know what it's called, Reddit is gay). People are lazy, so they end up getting the answers to their questions from the loudest or maybe most biased, and even the most wrong commenters instead of source material.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

the box thing

It probably has an 'official' term, but I don't know what it's called either. "The box thing" works for me.

It's hard to find quality data, or rather it usually takes a lot of sifting through info-dreck to find the good nuggets.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"No woman should be hated" is just not in any way what I conveyed.

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There might be a few good eggs but it's by far, a bunch of men who hate women.

I don't see the people you describe as actually representing MGTOW, although I haven't spent much time investigating. Is hating women really the philosophy of that group, or are the haters a fringe who don't represent MGTOW?

We see the same phenomenon in religion and politics too. Conservatives who don't conserve. Christians who aren't Christian.

Seems pretty common for people to falsely represent themselves as something they think they want to be, but are not.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That may be true and/or it may apply more to incels. I also know there are some good Men's Rights Activists too. None of that negates what I stated.

[–]Neroke-05 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Really what about it is horseshit. BE SPECIFIC otherwise you’re just full of bullshit

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

It attracts defective men who have serious problems relating to women, that's all. I don't have a problem with the basic tenets.

[–]Neroke-05 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Oh so let me see here

Someone witnesses men getting shafted around him and figures out that marriage isn’t a good idea and should avoid it makes them defective HOW? SPECIFICALLY?

Guess he must be defective then huh?

Oh wait I get it, you’re another one of those dumb fucktards who think MGTOW is just about sex

Run along now, and go be defectively stupid somewhere else

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

How many times do I have to say I don't have a problem with men who don't want to be in a relationship? But ya know, for most people enriching relationships with someone of the opposite sex is a pretty important part of life, and swearing off half of the human race is just kind of...weird and sad. You seem a little angry.

[–]Neroke-05 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

And Uh yeah Posting up Epic Stupid and then doubling down on it means you DESERVE to be treated like an idiot

You know what orifice you can shove your gaslighting up

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

I really don't care enough about this conversation to continue it, or to continue talking to you.

[–]Foidblaster9000 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Not worth it. Capitalizes words for emphasis and argues like a hysteric. Reddit in action, and should have stayed with his kind.

[–]Neroke-05 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously my kind? As opposed to the stunned stupid crowd you run with that resort to insults then run like bitches the moment they get called

Seriously asshole go be fucking stunned stupid somewhere else

[–]Neroke-05 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Ok champ how about YOU address the points I made then? Go on there champ because you inserted yourself in here so LETS FUCKING PARTY

Go on there champ, actually answer the point. And if you try to weasel your way out of doing it. You’re admitting you’re a stunned stupid fucktard who can be disregarded

No I care not if you like my tone

[–]Neroke-05 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course you don’t, you did care enough to spout an ignorant opinion though! Remember that!

[–]Neroke-05 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That FACT you even said that tells me you know Jack squat about MGTOW!

And if you are literally SO THICK that you think this is just a male version of feminist separatism then the problem is YOU!

Not only that you can’t even conceive of something different than following your balls around that’s ALSO your problem not mine

Either way your opinion was literally SO DENSE that you can’t conceive of something different means you should be keeping your ignorance to yourself as opposed to posting up and making yourself look like an idiot