When MGTOW hit the ground, it was a blessing for a lot of men. We were all being brainwashed in to believing we NEED women to be happy, successful and productive. There have been many negative affects like encouraging incels but the movement has done a lot of good for men. It's given us insight to value ourselves, refuse to be subjugated by women who don't understand simple biology. MGTOW has broken chains women had over men for years. Stoicism has taught men, many of whom don't have proper role models, HOW to behave like a man. The Red Pill has taught us how to recognize and treat women who behave inappropriately and to value our masculinity. MGTOW is there for men who just don't want to deal with women anymore. It shows that you can be free from society's indoctrination that all men need women. Women need men. Ask anyone who has survived a real war just how bad women need men. I hear what you're saying but it relies on your ability to change others and frankly, that's not going to happen. Women aren't going to suddenly snap out of the zeitgeist.