What type of libertarian are you?

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[–]James_Kuhn3rd 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I didn't really see much about taxes or immigration, two big topics.

1- we should completely open up the borders and make it much easier for people to come here legally. Of course, it only works if you completely eliminate social welfare programs for any and all immigrants.. In fact, it's probably better to eliminate all social welfare programs for anyone, and let local and private institutions flourish again. It's theft by the government.

I'm against both, but the welfare state for immigrants just breeds corruption, all so democrats can increase their voter base and republicans get their cheap labor. Garbage..

2 - repeal the 16th amendment. It was a power grab. Theft, by the red and blue puppeteers of the men with guns.

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I didn't really see much about taxes or immigration, two big topics.

You only need taxes to pay for govt. I'm one who believes we need some amount of govt. to protect our liberty, property, and life. Why? Because the alternative is everyone hiring their own mercenaries and poor people left completely vulnerable. An-Caps probably have some things to say about that, but I'm not quite there.

1- we should completely open up the borders and make it much easier for people to come here legally. Of course, it only works if you completely eliminate social welfare programs for any and all immigrants.. In fact, it's probably better to eliminate all social welfare programs for anyone, and let local and private institutions flourish again. It's theft by the government.

Ideally the government would do nothing to hinder freedom of movement. You mentioned the obvious economic reason why we can't. There is a more important reason why. People immigrating to America are most likely fleeing oppressive socialist regimes. Those people bring their bad ideas with them, and teach them to their children who then grow up bitter because they never learned to succeed in liberty and capitalism. This is one aspect of the cultural argument for border regulation which is rarely discussed outside white nationalist circles, because it's taboo to suggest that one culture is superior to another (HA HA HA HA!)

I'm against both, but the welfare state for immigrants just breeds corruption, all so democrats can increase their voter base and republicans get their cheap labor. Garbage..

Goddamn are you actually me? I've believed this for most of my adult life. It literally explains everything!

2 - repeal the 16th amendment. It was a power grab. Theft, by the red and blue puppeteers of the men with guns.

I'm not so sure that's doable without force.

Oh, and TIL that the minimum wage was done to protect northern workers' wages against increased competition from African Americans after the end of segregation. Another feather in the cap of fascist Democrats!

[–]James_Kuhn3rd 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

People immigrating to America are most likely fleeing oppressive socialist regimes. Those people bring their bad ideas with them, and teach them to their children who then grow up bitter because they never learned to succeed in liberty and capitalism. This is one aspect of the cultural argument for border regulation which is rarely discussed outside white nationalist circles, because it's taboo to suggest that one culture is superior to another

Although I agree with this statement regarding individuals fleeing places such as, California, NY, IL, and a few other states, I disagree that it applies to immigrants from outside the U.S. once the incentives have been removed.

Personally, I've seen numerous individuals in the tech field graduate from a graduate program, and are able to get jobs, but unable to stay if they don't hit some kind of lottery BS if they can't get particular employee sponsorship programs. These are people we should want to stay..

I will say at present, we get an inordinate amount of immigrants fleeing from socialist countries whose policies they supported, however I think many come because they know they'll be taken care of when they arrive. The bottom line is incentives matter, and word travels fast. We see this in the wonderful caravans that beat their drums as they march toward 3 hot squares on a WIC card, free section 8, and a great monthly stipend while waving the Latin American flag of X.

It's not bigoted to state that. In fact, I've seen many Mexican workers who work hard, doing Ag/landscaping type work, who wear USA t-shirts and want nothing more than to have the freedom to do what they want and celebrate the fact that they're in America.

Again incentives matter, for example.. If you tell a small group of homeless ppl it's cool to just set up a tent where you want, no worries about jobs, booze or drugs, plus the state will provide port-a-potties to keep you from defecating in the streets as well as numerous social programs to ensure you're comfortable, don't be shocked when all of a sudden that small group of homeless becomes an entire street as emigrant homeless from other states go to where the easy money is, like the hordes of Californians invading Idaho, Colorado, Texas et al changing the culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yRZbbJ9kyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8fsfwo6R-Y

I think the quality of immigrants coming here will improve once the incentives are changed.

You might be right about repealing the 16th only with force. I'm actually more hopeful for a convention of states, where they can repeal the 16th, impose term limits on supreme court justices, enforce balance budget measures, and remove the judicial overreach by state and federal courts over the executive and legislative branches.

Barring this, I'm pretty sure we are on a fast track to a different constitution and/or type of government. (And even with the convention, may not stay the beast). I mean, so many people look at government regulation as such a boon and a blessing. They want their God to regulate the internet, and soda, and speech, and marriage, and ...

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess we agree to live peacefully with people who want to live in America and integrate with our existing culture, just as I would be expected to do if I went to live in their country of origin.

I will say at present, we get an inordinate amount of immigrants fleeing from socialist countries whose policies they supported, however I think many come because they know they'll be taken care of when they arrive.

The "migrant caravan" you mean.

It's not bigoted to state that. In fact, I've seen many Mexican workers who work hard, doing Ag/landscaping type work, who wear USA t-shirts and want nothing more than to have the freedom to do what they want and celebrate the fact that they're in America.

Just to be clear, Mexico isn't a third world shit hole, though it is terribly corrupt. The economic distortions imposed upon Mexico by America's fascist drug war have been terrible. You'll never hear the fascist Democrats admit to that though, any more than they would ever admit to the social distortions imposed on African American families by their policies. I've linked to a few stories in the past:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yRZbbJ9kyg YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8fsfwo6R-Y YouTube

I'll look into those.

I think the quality of immigrants coming here will improve once the incentives are changed.

Of course it would, but will those incentives change?

You might be right about repealing the 16th only with force.

I do NOT want to be right about that.