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[–]sawboss 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

I'm all over the map! All of these are appealing to me:

  • protecting basic liberties
  • counter economics
  • tolerate voluntary, peaceful communes as long as they don't intrude on my life (but keep Hoppe in the hip pocket in case we absolutely need helicopters)

I like objectivism a lot, but it seems to me that they went wrong somewhere.

strong national defense

I don't know what that implies. I question whether it's possible to eliminate our national military. Apparently we have too much "defense" because we've been constantly engaged in military actions since WW2.

victimless crimes like smoking weed

No drugs should be illegal! The drug war is fascism!

[–]James_Kuhn3rd 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I didn't really see much about taxes or immigration, two big topics.

1- we should completely open up the borders and make it much easier for people to come here legally. Of course, it only works if you completely eliminate social welfare programs for any and all immigrants.. In fact, it's probably better to eliminate all social welfare programs for anyone, and let local and private institutions flourish again. It's theft by the government.

I'm against both, but the welfare state for immigrants just breeds corruption, all so democrats can increase their voter base and republicans get their cheap labor. Garbage..

2 - repeal the 16th amendment. It was a power grab. Theft, by the red and blue puppeteers of the men with guns.

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I didn't really see much about taxes or immigration, two big topics.

You only need taxes to pay for govt. I'm one who believes we need some amount of govt. to protect our liberty, property, and life. Why? Because the alternative is everyone hiring their own mercenaries and poor people left completely vulnerable. An-Caps probably have some things to say about that, but I'm not quite there.

1- we should completely open up the borders and make it much easier for people to come here legally. Of course, it only works if you completely eliminate social welfare programs for any and all immigrants.. In fact, it's probably better to eliminate all social welfare programs for anyone, and let local and private institutions flourish again. It's theft by the government.

Ideally the government would do nothing to hinder freedom of movement. You mentioned the obvious economic reason why we can't. There is a more important reason why. People immigrating to America are most likely fleeing oppressive socialist regimes. Those people bring their bad ideas with them, and teach them to their children who then grow up bitter because they never learned to succeed in liberty and capitalism. This is one aspect of the cultural argument for border regulation which is rarely discussed outside white nationalist circles, because it's taboo to suggest that one culture is superior to another (HA HA HA HA!)

I'm against both, but the welfare state for immigrants just breeds corruption, all so democrats can increase their voter base and republicans get their cheap labor. Garbage..

Goddamn are you actually me? I've believed this for most of my adult life. It literally explains everything!

2 - repeal the 16th amendment. It was a power grab. Theft, by the red and blue puppeteers of the men with guns.

I'm not so sure that's doable without force.

Oh, and TIL that the minimum wage was done to protect northern workers' wages against increased competition from African Americans after the end of segregation. Another feather in the cap of fascist Democrats!

[–]James_Kuhn3rd 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

People immigrating to America are most likely fleeing oppressive socialist regimes. Those people bring their bad ideas with them, and teach them to their children who then grow up bitter because they never learned to succeed in liberty and capitalism. This is one aspect of the cultural argument for border regulation which is rarely discussed outside white nationalist circles, because it's taboo to suggest that one culture is superior to another

Although I agree with this statement regarding individuals fleeing places such as, California, NY, IL, and a few other states, I disagree that it applies to immigrants from outside the U.S. once the incentives have been removed.

Personally, I've seen numerous individuals in the tech field graduate from a graduate program, and are able to get jobs, but unable to stay if they don't hit some kind of lottery BS if they can't get particular employee sponsorship programs. These are people we should want to stay..

I will say at present, we get an inordinate amount of immigrants fleeing from socialist countries whose policies they supported, however I think many come because they know they'll be taken care of when they arrive. The bottom line is incentives matter, and word travels fast. We see this in the wonderful caravans that beat their drums as they march toward 3 hot squares on a WIC card, free section 8, and a great monthly stipend while waving the Latin American flag of X.

It's not bigoted to state that. In fact, I've seen many Mexican workers who work hard, doing Ag/landscaping type work, who wear USA t-shirts and want nothing more than to have the freedom to do what they want and celebrate the fact that they're in America.

Again incentives matter, for example.. If you tell a small group of homeless ppl it's cool to just set up a tent where you want, no worries about jobs, booze or drugs, plus the state will provide port-a-potties to keep you from defecating in the streets as well as numerous social programs to ensure you're comfortable, don't be shocked when all of a sudden that small group of homeless becomes an entire street as emigrant homeless from other states go to where the easy money is, like the hordes of Californians invading Idaho, Colorado, Texas et al changing the culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yRZbbJ9kyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8fsfwo6R-Y

I think the quality of immigrants coming here will improve once the incentives are changed.

You might be right about repealing the 16th only with force. I'm actually more hopeful for a convention of states, where they can repeal the 16th, impose term limits on supreme court justices, enforce balance budget measures, and remove the judicial overreach by state and federal courts over the executive and legislative branches.

Barring this, I'm pretty sure we are on a fast track to a different constitution and/or type of government. (And even with the convention, may not stay the beast). I mean, so many people look at government regulation as such a boon and a blessing. They want their God to regulate the internet, and soda, and speech, and marriage, and ...

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess we agree to live peacefully with people who want to live in America and integrate with our existing culture, just as I would be expected to do if I went to live in their country of origin.

I will say at present, we get an inordinate amount of immigrants fleeing from socialist countries whose policies they supported, however I think many come because they know they'll be taken care of when they arrive.

The "migrant caravan" you mean.

It's not bigoted to state that. In fact, I've seen many Mexican workers who work hard, doing Ag/landscaping type work, who wear USA t-shirts and want nothing more than to have the freedom to do what they want and celebrate the fact that they're in America.

Just to be clear, Mexico isn't a third world shit hole, though it is terribly corrupt. The economic distortions imposed upon Mexico by America's fascist drug war have been terrible. You'll never hear the fascist Democrats admit to that though, any more than they would ever admit to the social distortions imposed on African American families by their policies. I've linked to a few stories in the past:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yRZbbJ9kyg YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8fsfwo6R-Y YouTube

I'll look into those.

I think the quality of immigrants coming here will improve once the incentives are changed.

Of course it would, but will those incentives change?

You might be right about repealing the 16th only with force.

I do NOT want to be right about that.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

but keep Hoppe in the hip pocket in case we absolutely need helicopters

So, you could fit at hoppeanism

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hoppe is very seductive.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. A beautiful old man hahahaha

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Since 1772 USA has only had 1 year not engaged in conflict.

Military is 100% socialism. Delete it.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Libertarian means socialist in every country except for the US.

Rebranding this word is a propaganda tactic, and so-called American libertarians have been duped.

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, it should be noted that "socialist" can also mean significantly different things to different people, but yes, many forms of libertarianism do involve "workers should own the means of production".

[–]cum 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This looks like one of those fox news deepstate conspiracy flow charts.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Who made this image?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don't know. I found it in 8chan

[–]wizzwizz4 0 insightful - 2 fun0 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I almost don't want a link to 8chan, but… link?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Use reverse image search

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

… You are a genius.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Could you find?

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sadly not. I didn't try too hard, though, because I visited 8chan once and Never Again™.

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Looks like it was drawn with crayons, why am I not surprised? This is like 31 flavors of self delusion.

"how small shoud govt, be?" "just small enough that it stops spying on us and lets us commit victimless crimes." Size?! Even a government composed of one single person could spy on you and convict you of a victimless crime.

"how small should the government be?" "enough to protect basic liberties", this is the version of Libtertarianism where if you didn't pay for the fire department service, they roast marshmallows as your house burns, and allow it to spread to neighboring houses, only protecting those which paid for the fire service.

Or "just big enough to provide a strong national defense", I hate to deliver the bad news, but you can't have a competitive armed forces and also maintain a small government. The infrastructure is enormous, for both active and retired military, as well as their families.

"will we tolerate communes?" "we are the communes!" -> "not a libertarian", this one makes no sense to me. Part of personal liberty is the right to form a commune, should you want to.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not against some government services at all, as police, fire dept, and judicial system. But i prefer they are decentralised and locally administered

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why the hate for Anarcho-Communism?

I would consider myself an Anarcho-Communist, although it looks like I may also fall under Minarchist, Classical Liberal, or Anarcho-Capitalist Voluntarist, as I believe in reducing laws that require one to make money, such as tax laws, for the purpose of enabling people to create a gift economy, while not forcing people to create one.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Communism are totally unethical, unless it's in a private community

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By "communism", I mean "let's let people give away things for free" rather than "let's force people to give things away for free". Basically, I support lots of private charities that make things for free out-competing commercial options, and I want to do this by making and working in said charities, without forcing anyone into anything. If people don't want to give things for free, though, that's perfectly fine; I just want the option for people who do want to, like myself, to do so, without worrying about the taxes and licenses which I see as the main force that makes people need to make money in the first place.

For me, the "communism" part isn't so much political as it is a social idea, which happens to need a bit less money-requiring regulations to achieve.